Originally posted by Roman Moreno
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Who has the better resume Andre Ward or Miguel Cotto?
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now, definitely cotto...
i hope bute wins against froch so we can have a unification... after that, a couple of fights with ranked LHWs... then a title fight maybe against dawson (if chad wins against hop and still keeps winning)...
that will give him better resume than cotto... but then again, ward is boring as ****... he ain't got the style that will get the attention of casual fans...
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Originally posted by Since 1985 View PostOf course the Mosley win is better than any on Ward's resume but Cotto's resume is good not great. Other than Mosley, Cotto has a few good solid wins like Torres, Clottey, Judah, Maliginaggi, Quintana, etc. Those are solid wins but that list isn't that impressive. Kessler's only loss before his loss to Ward was a relatively close loss to Calzaghe, who retired undefeated. Froch was on a big time roll before the Ward fight, with wins against guys like Pascal, Dirrell (controversial), Abraham, Johnson, and a close loss to Kessler. Those are very good wins for Ward. His wins against Abraham, Bika, and Miranda are also solid. As I said earlier, it's close and I can see the argument for either side.
See, I can pick resumes apart too.
Will Froch, Kessler, and Abraham, his 3 best wins, stand the test of time? Will they be looked at 10 years from great wins like you're making them out to be now? Likely no.
Ward is the better fighter and he'll finish with the better career. But your argument as of now is weak.
The vacant title argument so a fcuking joke. This ideal of "beating a champ" is bull*****. It's about who you beat and who you defend against. Cotto beat Quintana for his WW title...you want me to give you a laundry list of your favorite fighters who beat worse fighters for their title?
I love Floyd, not trying to bring him into this it's just the best example I can think of...
I think we can all agree that a prime Quintana is better than Carlos Baldomir.
Now is Floyd's title win over Baldomir better than Cotto's over Quintana because Baldomir was a champ? Do you see how ridiculous that sounds?
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Originally posted by savorduhflavor View PostBut how good is Kessler? His best win is against....Froch. Froch lost(IMO) to Dirrell, and he has good wins against a shot Taylor and Pascal. I like Froch and I consider it a good win, but you guys are seriously overrating these guys. They're the top 168 pounds in the world and Ward deserves a ton of credit for fighting them and beating them, but they're still not that good. Abraham is ****, this much should be crystal clear. Bika and Miranda were shot.
See, I can pick resumes apart too.
Will Froch, Kessler, and Abraham, his 3 best wins, stand the test of time? Will they be looked at 10 years from great wins like you're making them out to be now? Likely no.
Ward is the better fighter and he'll finish with the better career. But your argument as of now is weak.
The vacant title argument so a fcuking joke. This ideal of "beating a champ" is bull*****. It's about who you beat and who you defend against. Cotto beat Quintana for his WW title...you want me to give you a laundry list of your favorite fighters who beat worse fighters for their title?
I love Floyd, not trying to bring him into this it's just the best example I can think of...
I think we can all agree that a prime Quintana is better than Carlos Baldomir.
Now is Floyd's title win over Baldomir better than Cotto's over Quintana because Baldomir was a champ? Do you see how ridiculous that sounds?
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Originally posted by Since 1985 View PostShow me where I called those great wins? I said Froch and Kessler are very good wins. I've said nothing about winning vacant belts so I don't know why your addressing this with me. I really don't think either guy has an elite win. You can make the argument that Mosley beat Cotto, it was close and Mosley came on in the later rounds.
I don't think you can make that argument. Close fight but a clear win for Cotto.
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Originally posted by Atreyu Khalil View PostCotto has fought more recognizable names but fact remains the first fighter he ever beat for a world title was yuri foreman.....that was his 36th pro fight I believe and was in his 3rd weight class......ward has less fights and has already beat better world champs........
Cotto is the vacant belt king
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