C o c k e l l definitetly had some c h i n k s in his armor.
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Originally posted by Ray Corso View PostI had the friendship of Lou Bogash Jr. whose dad fought everyone under the sun including Greb. In 1912 Bogash went the distance with Greb loosing a competitive fight. Bogash fought 127 pro bouts and was stopped ONCE!
His son Lou Bogash Jr was a pro & amateur ref in Connecticut for many years and was a big help to me when I started boxing and then training.
He told me that Greb was incredible at his best but that Robinson was a more complete boxer because of his ability to use lateral moves along with pressure punching.
I think their opponents quality is close but Robinson has a higher
number of contenders and he always gave multiple rematches.
Ray
He fought everyone out there on every day of the week.
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Originally posted by Canelo and GGG View PostGreb was 33-11-4 vs HoFers ,SRR have not even 30 fights vs HoFers ,Greb have better resume then any one by far ,maybe not Langford
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Originally posted by JAB5239 View PostI think Sam's resume slightly trump's Grebs which is why I rate him the very best. He also did it over a larger span of weight classes. Neither Greb nor Robinson can lay claim to beating HOF and ATG fighters from lightweight to heavyweight.
its not fair to say that cuse Greb was havier and couldnt fight in lighter devs ,he beat world class opposition from MW to HW
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Grebs Resume
How does Greb's resume stack up to Robinsons? He has more fights against more champions and HOFers across higher weight divisions, and arguably did so more successfully.
If Robinson's record is the gold standard then Greb's is platinum.
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Originally posted by klompton View PostHow does Greb's resume stack up to Robinsons? He has more fights against more champions and HOFers across higher weight divisions, and arguably did so more successfully.
If Robinson's record is the gold standard then Greb's is platinum.
The game was probably in its golden age for entertainment and information purposes between Dempsey/Willard and Robinson's second fight with Basilio.
Of course many of the old fans at the time would have sworn that all mentioned were wusses and stood no chance against the earlier old timers.
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Originally posted by JAB5239 View PostI think Sam's resume slightly trump's Grebs which is why I rate him the very best. He also did it over a larger span of weight classes. Neither Greb nor Robinson can lay claim to beating HOF and ATG fighters from lightweight to heavyweight.
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Originally posted by Ray Corso View PostI had the friendship of Lou Bogash Jr. whose dad fought everyone under the sun including Greb. In 1912 Bogash went the distance with Greb loosing a competitive fight. Bogash fought 127 pro bouts and was stopped ONCE!
His son Lou Bogash Jr was a pro & amateur ref in Connecticut for many years and was a big help to me when I started boxing and then training.
He told me that Greb was incredible at his best but that Robinson was a more complete boxer because of his ability to use lateral moves along with pressure punching.
I think their opponents quality is close but Robinson has a higher
number of contenders and he always gave multiple rematches.
Two great champions that would have walk overs in the current climate. If the contenders at 160 won't take on GGG they'd retire before signing for Greb & Sugar.
These men were mean people at the ring and wanted to inflict hurt and that's something you don't see in today's boxers. Most are searching for the last round and you NEVER see a fighter exhausted from max effort.
RayOriginally posted by JAB5239 View PostI think Sam's resume slightly trump's Grebs which is why I rate him the very best. He also did it over a larger span of weight classes. Neither Greb nor Robinson can lay claim to beating HOF and ATG fighters from lightweight to heavyweight.Originally posted by The Old LefHook View PostComing from an even earlier era, the ledgers of both Langford and Greb are stacked with more frequent fights and more rematches at least in part because of more frequent fights. Chicken or the egg. The frequency of bouts has steadily decreased since the earliest gloved days.
The game was probably in its golden age for entertainment and information purposes between Dempsey/Willard and Robinson's second fight with Basilio.
Of course many of the old fans at the time would have sworn that all mentioned were wusses and stood no chance against the earlier old timers.Originally posted by Ziggy Stardust View PostNot bad for a natural Welter.....
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