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Originally posted by Boy Jones Jr. View Postthe super six is the most overrated tourny ever. Everyone said that division was trash because Calzaghe was the king. As soon as Ward wins, suddenly 168 was murderers row. Thats revisionist history. Dude never fought anyone outside his country. And most feel he lost to Kovalev.
I will give you the first Kovalev matchup (I had it 114-113 Kovalev but it was close enough to go either way).
As for Bute, he had his shot at the elite against Carl Froch and Froch destroyed him. If Bute had won, then I imagine that Ward-Bute might have happened. The fight would have definitely happened if Bute had been in the Super Six because it was a round robin format.
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Originally posted by emceetns View PostHow was the Super Six overrated? It had every elite super middleweight in it except Lucian Bute and Joe Calzaghe was basically done at that point. Besides that, it was a round robin format so everyone fought each other and no one received the benefit of advancing due to a favorable matchup.
I will give you the first Kovalev matchup (I had it 114-113 Kovalev but it was close enough to go either way).
As for Bute, he had his shot at the elite against Carl Froch and Froch destroyed him. If Bute had won, then I imagine that Ward-Bute might have happened. The fight would have definitely happened if Bute had been in the Super Six because it was a round robin format.
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Originally posted by therealpugilist View Posthe was protected fighting a world champion with like 19 fights and others back to back....OK....were any of the fights close? not really exccept the froch fight
revisionist history at its best
"my guys" i have no guy....you just simply have an agenda, if you dont like the guy cool...doesnt change the fact he fought the best at 168 and had the best resume of his era there
no one even brought up race...im not going there
I mean look at who supports which fighters man...it's obviously almost always about race...to pretend otherwise is foolish.
Yes a lot of Ward's fights were close and/or controversial...the only clear win, 7-5 for Ward, I had for him was against Froch.
If he fought Kessler, Kov 1, Kov 2, Bika and Barrera in neutral locations...he probably has a draw or two, a dQ or two, a loss or two, and a win or two.... a best case scenario - something like 2 wins, a draw, a loss and a DQ....that's not exceptional to me.
If he wasn't from the US and didn't fight all his fights at home, he wouldn't be considered a great fighter...if you can honestly look at what he did vs guys like Bika Barrera and say he dominated...I mean what are people really doing...just all about ego I guess.
People can see what they need to see I suppose
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Originally posted by emceetns View PostHow was the Super Six overrated? It had every elite super middleweight in it except Lucian Bute and Joe Calzaghe was basically done at that point. Besides that, it was a round robin format so everyone fought each other and no one received the benefit of advancing due to a favorable matchup.
I will give you the first Kovalev matchup (I had it 114-113 Kovalev but it was close enough to go either way).
As for Bute, he had his shot at the elite against Carl Froch and Froch destroyed him. If Bute had won, then I imagine that Ward-Bute might have happened. The fight would have definitely happened if Bute had been in the Super Six because it was a round robin format.
And anyone saying the Kov-Ward 1 fight was really a close fight...disgusting.
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Originally posted by emceetns View PostHow was the Super Six overrated? It had every elite super middleweight in it except Lucian Bute and Joe Calzaghe was basically done at that point. Besides that, it was a round robin format so everyone fought each other and no one received the benefit of advancing due to a favorable matchup.
I will give you the first Kovalev matchup (I had it 114-113 Kovalev but it was close enough to go either way).
As for Bute, he had his shot at the elite against Carl Froch and Froch destroyed him. If Bute had won, then I imagine that Ward-Bute might have happened. The fight would have definitely happened if Bute had been in the Super Six because it was a round robin format.
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Originally posted by Boxing_1013 View PostWhy did Ward say the winner of the Super 6 should fight Bute...and then when Ward won, he said Bute needed to fight someone else before he fought Ward?
And anyone saying the Kov-Ward 1 fight was really a close fight...disgusting.
if youre biased the scores will show
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Originally posted by therealpugilist View Postbecause ward won it and they have something against the guy, had it been a guy they rooted for it would have been the best thing since sliced bread
Then he UDs Allan Green...has a very tough close fight with Bika that judges say he won 11-1...and UDs Arthur Abraham...and beats Froch like 7-5.
It's not hating to not be overly impressed with all of that...especially since he fought everything at home.
If Froch had a similar run like that at home, I would roll my eyes.
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Originally posted by New England View Postbute lost to carl froch. he developed a head of steam in the minds of foreigners who resented andre ward's successes. want to tell me who he was beating at the time? can you not see how horribly you overrated the guy after carl froch, a fighter who hardly won two rounds against ward, beat him up?
the guy wasn't in froch's class. go watch that fight again! and froch was not in ward's! froch didn't even want a ward rematch. he said so! and nobody called for it because of the huge gap in class between the two.
sheesh, it's like you guys didn't watch boxing at the time but instead just visited boxingscene and trusted in NSB.
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Originally posted by therealpugilist View Postdid you even watch the full fight let alone score it? card scores please
if youre biased the scores will show
I felt bad for Ward that in his big moment fight...he was getting his ass kicked at the beginning of the fight...I had it 5-1 through 6...and Kov was closer to being up 6-0 than 4-2.
Then over the last 6 rounds, they were scrappy rounds...not a whole lot in them...the clearest one of the last 6 was number 10 to Kovalev...Ward's best round of the entire fight imho was number 12, which still wasn't very clear.
I gave Ward 4 rounds live...and felt that was very charitable...he got beat up the first 6 and the last 6 were even...anything more than 4-2 either way in the last 6 is a joke...giving Ward more than 1 round in the first 6 is also a bit of a joke.
There aren't 7 rounds to give to him...he lost, clearly...it is what it is...why people want to have revisionist history about that fight...I mean it's disgusting.
My card, if memory serves me...Kov 1,2,3,4,6,8,10,11
Ward..5,7,9,12
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