How do you think Oleksandr Usyk does vs all of Deontay Wilder's opponents so far?

[Cutthroat]

Stiverne sucks. Never beat anyone of note and his best win is past it fat areolla.

Nobody at cruiser has beaten anybody of note, dominating Arreola 2x and a win over Austin is better than anybody's resume at cruiser.

Prime Huck set the bar by losing to a pre-steroids Pedvetkin and arguably losing to Ofalabi 2x. Glowacki-Huck was neck and neck with both men touching the canvas, Glowacki failed to really separate himself as a world class fighter.

Prime Stiverne
Pre-steroids Pedvetkin (arguably lost to Chambers)
Prime Huck-Glowacki-Ofalabi all about the same level

That's the levels these guys are/were at.

[Thraxox]

Usyk loses to the Stiverne from the 1st fight with Wilder. Usyk has not fought any power puncher like Stiverne or with his size, it'd be a shock. He still has to win the tournament to prove himself in my eyes, Briedis, and the winner of Dorticos-Gassiev are quality wins.

Washington, Duhapaus also posses the size, reach, power and skill to beat Usyk. I do not think the HW division favors his style at all and that he should stick to cruiser.


Huck is the best/hardest puncher on Usyk's pro resume with a 65% KO ratio and just 2 KO's within 5 years. Going from fighting 6'1 cruisers to full blown heavies is a huge change.

Wishful thinking that a slob like stiverne beats Usyk.

[RussB23]

Nobody at cruiser has beaten anybody of note, dominating Arreola 2x and a win over Austin is better than anybody's resume at cruiser.

Prime Huck set the bar by losing to a pre-steroids Pedvetkin and arguably losing to Ofalabi 2x. Glowacki-Huck was neck and neck with both men touching the canvas, Glowacki failed to really separate himself as a world class fighter.

Prime Stiverne
Pre-steroids Pedvetkin (arguably lost to Chambers)
Prime Huck-Glowacki-Ofalabi all about the same level

That's the levels these guys are/were at.

Why is dominating arreolla twice so great? Areolla is way past it and should have been retired years ago, hes also overweight now. Same with ray austin dude is way past it. Stiverene beating those guys means nothing because they werent good anymore.

He never beat an elite opponent and got outboxed by wilder who cant box for ****.

[Cutthroat]

Why is dominating arreolla twice so great? Areolla is way past it and should have been retired years ago, hes also overweight now. Same with ray austin dude is way past it. Stiverene beating those guys means nothing because they werent good anymore.

He never beat an elite opponent and got outboxed by wilder who cant box for ****.

Arreola is better than anyone on Usyk's resume that's why and Stiverne blasted him out with relative ease. Vitali was the only man to stop him and with a healthy hand he would've came away with a decision vs Adamek who was the previous King at Cruiser, Arreola is much better than you think. Austin is 6'6 and would give any cruiser serious trouble at that height/reach, even Haye struggled mightily against tall fighters.

Glowacki is Usyk's best win followed by a shot Huck.
Glowacki went life and death with a shot Huck, while prime Huck was getting stopped in '09 by Cunningham, losing to a fat Pedvetkin, arguably losing to Afolabi 2x, and struggling with Arslan in their 1st bout. The guy Glowacki beat to be regarded so highly was not that great. Adamek would've stopped Huck too. Adamek/Cunningham raised the bar and Huck/Glowacki did not pas it.

The tournament is far from over but people are already crowning Usyk the winner. The reality is his resume is extremely thin and doesn't have a single win over a quality puncher with KO power.

[RussB23]

Arreola is better than anyone on Usyk's resume that's why and Stiverne blasted him out with relative ease. Vitali was the only man to stop him and with a healthy hand he would've came away with a decision vs Adamek who was the previous King at Cruiser, Arreola is much better than you think. Austin is 6'6 and would give any cruiser serious trouble at that height/reach, even Haye struggled mightily against tall fighters.

Glowacki is Usyk's best win followed by a shot Huck.
Glowacki went life and death with a shot Huck, while prime Huck was getting stopped in '09 by Cunningham, losing to a fat Pedvetkin, arguably losing to Afolabi 2x, and struggling with Arslan in their 1st bout. The guy Glowacki beat to be regarded so highly was not that great. Adamek would've stopped Huck too. Adamek/Cunningham raised the bar and Huck/Glowacki did not pas it.

The tournament is far from over but people are already crowning Usyk the winner. The reality is his resume is extremely thin and doesn't have a single win over a quality puncher with KO power.

Haye is overrated as **** also. Im just saying usyk isnt a bum like stiverne , and would likely beat his ass if they ever fought.

[Mr Objecitivity]

The biggest guy Usyk has fought in the pro ranks with power/reach was 6'2 Michael Hunter and Usyk lost the first 4 rounds of that fight.

Usyk has hand speed but speed is negated by Stiverne's power counter punching. Stiverne has an 80% KO ratio, Glowacki's is only 60%, that is the key difference.


Usyk is not a Lomachenko, guys do hit him quite often. Mchunu actually stunned him with a right counter, Huck was landing counters sporadically throughout the fight, and Hunter landed plenty going up 4-0 before Usyk could adjust. The difference between Stiverne & all those men is they're much smaller & their KO ratios fall in the 60% range.

You bring up Stiverne knocking out bums but so does Usyk. Usyk's last 2 stoppages came in the 9th & 10th rounds against guys already violently KO'd in Huck/Mchunu. Hunter-Glowacki went the distance.

Huck-Glowacki was neck and neck, just as were Huck's fights with Afolabi. Do you really think Afolabi is as dangerous or as good as prime Stiverne? His KO ratio is barely in the 50% range too. Even that fat version of pre-steroids Pedvetkin was still good enough to beat a prime Huck.

That's where the bar was set at by a prime Huck for the division. Slightly below a fat Pedvetkin, and on par with Afolabi.

You bring up Charr but again, this guy was violently KO'd by Pedvetkin 2 years earlier and Usyk has yet to even fight Briedis or a puncher like hm.


Guys like Dorticos, Gassiev don't do anything better than most heavies, they simply rely on their physicality and power. It's not a coincidence that the 2 hardest hitters in the division are also in the top 4.

Joshua going from getting stopped by an obese 5'11 Nistor with head gear to beating a shredded 6'6 puncher like Wlad speaks volumes about the level he was at then and now. And as old as you think Wlad was, his power and ability is levels ahead of anybody at cruiser and the Olympics.

The best heavies cannot be found in the Olympics but in the pro ranks. Wlad, VItali, Lewis, Povetkin, Wilder, Fury and a host of other heavies peaked at around age 30 after years of experience in the pro ranks there are almost never any outstanding amateurs. The only outstanding amateur currently fighting in the top 10 at HW is Ortiz and he didn't fight in the Olympics.

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The biggest guy Usyk has fought in the pro ranks with power/reach was 6'2 Michael Hunter and Usyk lost the first 4 rounds of that fight.

Losing a few rounds and winning against an undefeated opponent like Michael Hunter is better than losing to a flat out bum with over 25% losses out of their career record in Demetrice King.


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Usyk has hand speed but speed is negated by Stiverne's power counter punching. Stiverne has an 80% KO ratio, Glowacki's is only 60%, that is the key difference.

Power is all well and good, but if one isn't able to land their punches or set them up properly, power becomes moot.

Glowacki is faster than Bermane Stiverne, but his counter punching skills are at least just as good, if not better. Yet, he couldn't land much on Usyk.

So how is a slower Bermane Stiverne going to have more success than a faster Glowacki? Power isn't going to help Stiverne land his punches. Power is only going to help Stiverne inflict damage AFTER he lands his punches but he has to first be able to land his punches in the first place and if Glowacki was able to land very few counter punches, then the slower and less skilled Stiverne is going to land even less.

Also, Glowacki's opponent's sum win / loss record (the win / loss record of all of his opponents combined) is 514 wins / 279 losses out of 29 bouts.

514 - 279 = 235

Whilst Stiverne's opponent's sum win / loss record is 437 wins / 211 losses out of 29 bouts.

437 - 211 = 226



So it stands to reason that because Glowacki has faced stiffer / better competition, that his knockout percentage is going to be a little lower. Whilst most of Stiverne's opponents have been bums with 25% losses out of their career record or more. Remove such opponent's from both boxer's records and then tell us what the KO percentage of both is.

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Usyk is not a Lomachenko, guys do hit him quite often.

Stylistically, he is very similar. He doesn't need to be as good as Lomachenko to beat Stiverne though.

And Usyk is defensively one of the best boxers out of all the boxers above super middleweight.

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Mchunu actually stunned him with a right counter, Huck was landing counters sporadically throughout the fight, and Hunter landed plenty going up 4-0 before Usyk could adjust.

Usyk deliberately fought Mchunu on the inside and on purpose. He beat Mchunu at his own game. If he boxed him on the outside, he would've beaten him like how he beat Glowacki whilst rarely getting touched.

Huck was barely landing anything. The odd one or two punches that Usyk sees coming mean nothing. The same is the case with Michael Hunter too.

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You bring up Stiverne knocking out bums but so does Usyk. Usyk's last 2 stoppages came in the 9th & 10th rounds against guys already violently KO'd in Huck/Mchunu. Hunter-Glowacki went the distance.

I wasn't using Usyk's knockout record as an argument as to why he would beat Stiverne. You were. And Stiverne's knockout record against bums has very little significance as to how he'd do against someone with the skills and caliber of Usyk.

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Huck-Glowacki was neck and neck, just as were Huck's fights with Afolabi. Do you really think Afolabi is as dangerous or as good as prime Stiverne? His KO ratio is barely in the 50% range too. Even that fat version of pre-steroids Pedvetkin was still good enough to beat a prime Huck.

Not sure what you're point is what argument you're trying to make with those statements.


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Guys like Dorticos, Gassiev don't do anything better than most heavies, they simply rely on their physicality and power. It's not a coincidence that the 2 hardest hitters in the division are also in the top 4.

Actually, those guys don't outweigh or outreach their opponents as significantly as some of the big heavyweights do. They have better fundamentals too. And Usyk is the most skilled out of the bunch.

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Joshua going from getting stopped by an obese 5'11 Nistor with head gear to beating a shredded 6'6 puncher like Wlad speaks volumes about the level he was at then and now. And as old as you think Wlad was, his power and ability is levels ahead of anybody at cruiser and the Olympics.

It's possible he's been chemically enhanced ever since the amateur drug testing days. Who knows? However, Usyk has also improved too. So these things balance out.

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The best heavies cannot be found in the Olympics but in the pro ranks. Wlad, VItali, Lewis, Povetkin, Wilder, Fury and a host of other heavies peaked at around age 30 after years of experience in the pro ranks there are almost never any outstanding amateurs. The only outstanding amateur currently fighting in the top 10 at HW is Ortiz and he didn't fight in the Olympics.

Perhaps! However, I don't see anything in boxers like Bermane Stiverne, Chris Arreola or pretty much any other opponent Wilder has faced up to date, that makes them much, if at all better than top super heavyweights in the amateurs. You've only listed a rare few boxers and Wilder is yet to face any of them yet.