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Old 02-12-2020, 11:04 AM #51
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Just cruiserweight, since basically, Usyk's career as a cruiser is over.
Yeah but his opponent's aren't.
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Old 02-12-2020, 11:19 AM #52
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David Haye underwent career ending surgery, and it was a minor miracle that he was able to mount his comeback 'Everyone in the boxing world who does not have a Fetish for Eastern European Fighters, understands that David Haye was a bigger puncher than Usyk by miles' and a by far more exciting fighter at cruiser-weight with a vividly more violent style.

Is Usyk going to win a world title at heavyweight, be honest? You are not certain that Usyk win's a title a heavyweight or even beats any of the top fighters 'You are suffering from cognitive dissonance'.

I am telling you that Usyk's a*s has completely gone at heavyweight, and he is overrated fighter 'Just a solid all around fighter who has mastered the fundamentals' as a fighter he has zero attributes which you can described as great.

If his first opponent had pulled out at heavyweight, I am sure matchroom and his team could of asked for a better opponent 'Monte Barrett was a fighter who was prepared 'He was also coming off 4 stoppage wins before he fought David Haye'.

David Haye's KO percentage speaks for itself only 2 of his winning performances where via points decision. Out of his 28 wins 26 where by Knock Out/Stoppage only two where by points decision.

Usyk is playing in the heavyweight division now mate, none of his fetish fans can dupe me or? Anyone else who can critically analyse fighters and their performances etc


Most likely and he most certainly would if there was a world champion equivalent to Nicolai Valuev.

Stoppage wins over who? journeymen! Chazz Witherspoon also was coming off a ton of stoppage wins over journeymen only he wasn't recently flattened umpteen times inc against terrible opponents like Cliff Couser.

I'm sure many fighters would have such a K.O ratio the only durable opponent he stopped off the top of my head was Chisora. How many world class opposition in or close to their prime did Haye stop or score a vicious K.O against? His records full of TKOs against bums like Audley, Enzo and the worst part is they're among his best wins! Everyone he stopped virtually was stopped on their feet.
Like seriously who did he stop that was decent but Mormeck who'd had much better days? Haye did hit harder than Usyk but that is all he has in his favour.
He might have stopped 26/28 but he failed to stop another 4 in losses, where was this power when he stepped upto world level?

I'm sure Usyk's K.O ratio would be a hell of a lot better if he wasn't fighting such durable, world class operators and spent his career cherrypicking much like David Haye did.
Two fights he couldn't put a dent in a chubby Bellew, USYK viciously K.Od him at his best weight.

The biggest achievement of his career is stopping an old Mormeck and Chisora two guys who lead with their faces.
He could punch a bit, he had decent handspeed but he didn't have this one hitter quitter like people pretend he had even against weak opposition and tailor made opposition.
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Old 02-12-2020, 11:21 AM #53
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Qawi is underrated and underappreciated.

Dude fought Holyfield when he was already 33.

With that said, I would say Usyk does have a better resume at cruiserweight.

I'm curious how good Gassiev does (or doesn't do) at Heavyweight.
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Old 02-12-2020, 11:27 AM #54
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Usyk has as many K.Os as Haye had in his whole CW run only he did it in 16 fights against vastly better opposition. In fact he should have 1 more as his victory over Bellew was a straight K.O

He wasn't fighting handpicked opposition either.

I think David Hayes power was sickeningly overrated and Usyk's is rather underrated. The only opponents Usyk has failed to stop was Briedis, Glowacki, Gassiev and Hunter who he hurt more than Povetkin ever did

Who did Haye ever knockout really? 95% of them were knocked out more times than I can count and in far more devastating fashion than Haye managed to. Overrated skillset, overrated power.
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Old 02-12-2020, 12:39 PM #55
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theres a fair case for this, CW was still growing when Holyfield was in it, even though it had some top fighters like him back then. Holyfield has the better top scalp but its could go either way for total CW resume.

People underestimate Usyk because CW was a lesser division for so long. A lot hinges on what he does moving up on whether hes a true great, but hes on the way in my belief.
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