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Does anyone else believe that Rocky Marciano's record was not exactly "so special"?
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Originally posted by El Dominicano View PostDammit, where is that guy. There was an old article of a guy who said, Marciano's opponents were badly beaten before they got in the ring with him.
I have always felt that it was a strong possibility that they influenced alot of his fights.
I mean seriously and realistically, in my life time I have never seen certain ethnic groups dominate a certain sport and NEVER do it again. Makes one wonder.
I mean Jordan dominates, but before him black men dominated the sport and after still do.
Hockey dominated by whites in general, before Wayne Gretzky and afterwards, and we can go on and on.
An Italian dominates and never again(but dominates during the late 40's and 50's) during the Italian Mafias worst and strongest eras) and in the East Coast mostly New York and Rhode Island cmon!
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Originally posted by The_Bringer View PostMarciano was a good fighter, but not the spectactular wrecking ball his fans make him out to be.
He's been dropped by smaller men (Former Middleweight Archie Moore), older men (Jersey Joe Walcott), and damn near finished off by journeymen (Ted Lowry).
He only gets his accolades because of his "0".
I'd pick Frazier, Tyson, Liston, Foreman, Shavers, Norton, Holmes, Ali, Louis (prime, not the prehistoric version Marciano mopped up), and a ton of others over him any day of the week.
Most of them would knock the **** out of him, to be quite honest.
Originally posted by MELLY-MEL... View Postbingo!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Originally posted by The_Bringer View PostMarciano was a good fighter, but not the spectactular wrecking ball his fans make him out to be.
He's been dropped by smaller men (Former Middleweight Archie Moore), older men (Jersey Joe Walcott), and damn near finished off by journeymen (Ted Lowry).
He only gets his accolades because of his "0".
I'd pick Frazier, Tyson, Liston, Foreman, Shavers, Norton, Holmes, Ali, Louis (prime, not the prehistoric version Marciano mopped up), and a ton of others over him any day of the week.
Most of them would knock the **** out of him, to be quite honest.Last edited by larry x; 04-16-2009, 07:09 PM.
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Originally posted by dondi330 View PostI agree.
Wlad and Vitali would also annihilate and embarass him.
So would a ton of other guys I could name, but won't.
The list of Heavyweights who'd hand Rocky his ass on a silver platter is in the dozens.
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Originally posted by dondi330 View PostId like to see that article!
I have always felt that it was a strong possibility that they influenced alot of his fights.
I mean seriously and realistically, in my life time I have never seen certain ethnic groups dominate a certain sport and NEVER do it again. Makes one wonder.
I mean Jordan dominates, but before him black men dominated the sport and after still do.
Hockey dominated by whites in general, before Wayne Gretzky and afterwards, and we can go on and on.
An Italian dominates and never again(but dominates during the late 40's and 50's) during the Italian Mafias worst and strongest eras) and in the East Coast mostly New York and Rhode Island cmon!
Really trying to remember
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Originally posted by larrysmith View Postbut he got up everytime..thats what makes a chmpion
Doesn't change the fact that a majority of the men he faced were born before they invented dirt, and even some of them managed to drop him and damn near finish him off.
Rocky had all he could handle with a Light Heavyweight Journeyman named Ted Lowry.
Glenn Johnson would probably knock his fucking block off.
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Originally posted by dondi330 View PostDoes anyone else believe that Rocky Marciano's record was not exactly "so special"?
Considering the records of his opponents, the ages of the great fighters he fought, and something I don't really hear people discuss too much.
The influence and strength of the Italian mafia during the time of his reign.
The Mafia was at its peak *strength* while Marciano was winning.
*Strength meaning they were ruling recklessly and not so silent. Killings, racketeering, extortion to loan-sharking, prostitution, drugs and alcohol, robbery, kidnapping, and murder. Makes one wonder if they had some influence in his fights.
I mean it is fine to forgive the negative and criminal actions of a people, but let us never forget.
This is not a hate thread, just a realistic viewpoint with definite possibilities to discuss.
I watched a preview to the Larry Holmes vs Carl Williams fight and at that point Holmes was close to breaking Marciano's record. Basically Holmes said he had been through Marciano's resume and discovered that some of the fights he had were not officially sanctioned fights, and that in effect he(Holmes) said he had technically already broken Marciano's record.
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Originally posted by larrysmith View Postim sorry 49-0 delt with adversity and still won..he deserves respect no matter who you believe can beat him...fact is..he was never defeated so he was doing something right
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