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Old 09-30-2016, 08:14 PM #1
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Question Manny Pacquiao's Legacy- should Pacman have retired after the Mosley fight?

Pac-Mania was at an all time high at the time of the Mosley fight in 2011. Pacquiao was considered a living legend- 8 division world champion, rankd the #1 fighter in the world P4P by most sporting websites, some even considering him one of the Greatest of all Time. Had dominant wins over Barrera, Morales, Diaz, Oscar Delahoya, Hatton, Cotto, Clottey, Margarito, Mosley, etc.

People were actually comparing him to the likes of Ali, Leonard, and Robinson. Celebrities like Jessica Alba, Paris Hilton visiting him in camp. Hordes of people attending his concerts. Pac fans flooding the web claiming he could KO Prime Tyson. Everyone thought Floyd was scared of him. The idea of Pacquiao losing wasn't even a thought in most people's minds. Man..... I miss those days....

And then the 3rd Marquez fight happened and everything changed. He failed to beat Marquez convincingly, officially lost to Bradley, hasn't had a knockout since, got KO'ed by Marquez, and lost to Floyd. Wins over Rios and Algieri did nothing for his legacy. No more concerts, no more celebrities. Nike drops him. LGBT hates him and detractors criticize and laugh at him...... Dude is fighting Jesse Vargas next FFS and HBO won't even show it......

Don't get me wrong, Manny's still an ATG, the only 8-division champ in history and his WW run was legendary, but I truly believe that had Pacquiao retired after the Mosley fight, his status would be much greater, he'd still be considered on par with the likes of Ali and Robinson and most likely ranked above Floyd.

Everything that Pacquiao did after the 2011 Mosley fight has hurt his legacy and reputation little by little.

Thoughts?

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Old 09-30-2016, 09:01 PM #2
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I think he could have retired, but he wanted the money. JMM KTFO 6 and seeing him not moving for almost three min was scary. PAC fights for the cash, and his country.
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Old 09-30-2016, 09:27 PM #3
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Yeah, but the Bradley 2 win is still arguably one of his best.

It's hard for fighters to retire at the top. Why would Manny have retired still practically in his prime in 2011?

His only mistakes were fighting JMM 2 more times for no apparent reasons. 1m+ PPV buys each, but logically, no reason.
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Old 09-30-2016, 09:54 PM #4
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Him retiring before fighting Floyd would have been a mistake and a mark on his legacy. He still had something to give to the sport.
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Old 09-30-2016, 10:02 PM #5
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No. If anything Manny shouldnt have fought Marquez for the 4th time. Should've just rematched Bradley immediately
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Old 09-30-2016, 10:04 PM #6
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No. If anything Manny shouldnt have fought Marquez for the 4th time. Should've just rematched Bradley immediately
Always felt that way also.
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Old 09-30-2016, 10:11 PM #7
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Pacquiao was passed his prime by 2011, after Wars in Margo and many more the need for retirement was considered. Despite having a decorated career there was challenges that were unfinished (Decisively beating Marquez and the Mayweather Fight) Then Bradley came along, and then the Knockout.

And Also, P4P he accomplished more than Floyd. He would be in the rankings higher than Floyd.

The Thing we are mistaking is basically our expectations for Pacquiao is basically too high, thinking he is superman or something, and once we found out that he is only human (JMM KO) He was slammed for being beaten (Detractors) But still Even after he was passed his Prime he still has some good wins in the likes of Bradley (Future HOF) So his Legacy is intact.
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Old 09-30-2016, 10:11 PM #8
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Manny is still beating prime guys. He has a lot of options right now. Lets see how he does with his next fight. There are still big paydays and big fights for him to get into. Especially if the promoters get along and make a fight happen.
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Old 09-30-2016, 10:14 PM #9
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Usually boxers are under appreciated when they are still active ( Like Hagler ) But once the years has passed by we realized that they are good men. Just give it five years or so after his retirement.
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Pac-Mania was at an all time high at the time of the Mosley fight in 2011. Pacquiao was considered a living legend- 8 division world champion, rankd the #1 fighter in the world P4P by most sporting websites, some even considering him one of the Greatest of all Time. Had dominant wins over Barrera, Morales, Diaz, Oscar Delahoya, Hatton, Cotto, Clottey, Margarito, Mosley, etc.

People were actually comparing him to the likes of Ali, Leonard, and Robinson. Celebrities like Jessica Alba, Paris Hilton visiting him in camp. Hordes of people attending his concerts. Pac fans flooding the web claiming he could KO Prime Tyson. Everyone thought Floyd was scared of him. The idea of Pacquiao losing wasn't even a thought in most people's minds. Man..... I miss those days....

And then the 3rd Marquez fight happened and everything changed. He failed to beat Marquez convincingly, officially lost to Bradley, hasn't had a knockout since, got KO'ed by Marquez, and lost to Floyd. Wins over Rios and Algieri did nothing for his legacy. No more concerts, no more celebrities. Nike drops him. LGBT hates him and detractors criticize and laugh at him...... Dude is fighting Jesse Vargas next FFS and HBO won't even show it......

Don't get me wrong, Manny's still an ATG, the only 8-division champ in history and his WW run was legendary, but I truly believe that had Pacquiao retired after the Mosley fight, his status would be much greater, he'd still be considered on par with the likes of Ali and Robinson and most likely ranked above Floyd.

Everything that Pacquiao did after the 2011 Mosley fight has hurt his legacy and reputation little by little.

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Considering he was probably on PEDs for that run, No. It was necessary for him to be brought back down to earth (KO'd) and the truth about his character to come out.
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