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Old 05-26-2019, 06:18 PM #61
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Oh OK - please point out in detail where I was wrong. Provide details and sources please. Here are my sources - all from the previous 2 years.

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your sources arent working. im guessing you copy pasted this health care debate from some right wing site that is now out of date and its blown up in your face. the uk health care system is better by every metric so im not sure what you are trying to prove? does it have flaws? absolutely, and those should be addressed but why pretend like the american model is better when it clearly isnt?
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Joshua is the bigger name between him and Wilder. Truth is the UK's fanbase is rather rabid, as opposed to a much more tame and smaller US one. The fact is that the US doesn't embrace their boxers is another factor. It seems like boxing champions are held to high esteem in the UK. Here in the U.S. not very many people would be able to recognize a Wilder or Crawford from a crowd of common folk.

Let's be honest here, if Wilder sold out a stadium with 90k seats, even at 15 dollars per ticket, his fans would be running around like lunatics. Foaming at the mouth, spouting how much their main man is selling out. Pathetic. Give props where props are due.
Nobody is checking for Joshua in the US. Wilder is all over TV & Social media. Where is Joshua?
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Old 05-26-2019, 06:19 PM #63
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A lot of this will be the fact that Andy Ruiz is not an especially big draw... It takes two, especially when you're fighting away from home.
... Andy Ruiz Jr is the late replacement, in case you didn't know that
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This has turned into a British healthcare thread. I don't live there so it would be foolish for me to put my two cents in based simply off things I read from biased sources online.
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Puerile.

A 71-year-old service that provides care based on clinical need rather than an ability to pay for it will always be the human thing to do now itís part of the fabric of our society. So despite scaremongering it will always survive.

....And it will always be stretched to breaking point.

Anyway good for you for being so intensely proud of where you come from. Thereís a word for that I think.
The difference between us is I would admit when there something in America that was an issue. You are probably the Gary Lineker type of UK guy lol. Hardly a man at all.

A Brit with no balls, so desperate to be proud of his country that he touts a failing system. Everyone who needs care in any country gets it btw - you aren't that arrogant to insinuate someone with a serious issue is turned away care in the US just because they can't pay?

I do know that happens in the UK though. Elective/low chance of success surgeries get declined all the time there. Some system - you have no rights and are a pawn and peasant to your government's decisions and you are proud of it. I hope your ancestors are rolling in their grave.
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your sources arent working. im guessing you copy pasted this health care debate from some right wing site that is now out of date and its blown up in your face. the uk health care system is better by every metric so im not sure what you are trying to prove? does it have flaws? absolutely, and those should be addressed but why pretend like the american model is better when it clearly isnt?
Here let me try and help you since you need me to do everything for you, just like a good commie.

I copied and pasted the links from an earlier post I made btw. I don't rely on other people's talking points to form my opinions. I have a brain.

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Lol I always knew you were a fuc.king clown man but to be a commie/socialist you really are a little qu.eer lol. Lol - should have taxed more - that is your answer to everything. Disgraceful people.

I hope you move to a commie country and get your wish - if the USA system sucks so bad go move to Canada or somewhere else. Anyone who really needs care in the USA gets it - do you really think a doctor turns down a gunshot patient because they don't have insurance? lol

Read some books about economics and try and educate yourself a bit buddy.

The system here in the US absolutely has its problems but the level of care in the US is FAR better than anywhere else in the world. The overly litigious nature of the US drives up costs here and also the over regulated nature of most fields here ends up driving up costs as it restricts entry into the profession, which naturally, as I'm sure you know since you're such an economics wiz - raises prices while reducing quality of service.

Disgraceful people you commies
and what happens after that trauma victim leaves the hospital?
debt, bankruptcy, etc...even if they have insurance a lot of times because they are always trying to find ways to save money. thats not the humane thing to do. thats not hte moral thing to do. thats why we have to take the profit motive out of health care.

also have you heard of preemptive care? its saves money and lives. lots of uninsured/underinsured people dont have access to enough care and that puts not only their lives in jeopardy but unneeded strain on the system because it costs far more when they do finally seek treatment.

ok lets talk economics. uk spends far less and has better care than the us system. thats more economical

but its not the best.

yes yes boo regulations yay runaway capitalism. they know whats best for us.

also i've lived in europe for many years and the health care was fine but thats anecdotal. ive been fine in the usa as well. i'm not the point. the point is what works best for everyone. it has nothing to do with freedom or hand outs. its a better system. tying health care to employment is the opposite of liberating.

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The difference between us is I would admit when there something in America that was an issue. You are probably the Gary Lineker type of UK guy lol. Hardly a man at all.

A Brit with no balls, so desperate to be proud of his country that he touts a failing system. Everyone who needs care in any country gets it btw - you aren't that arrogant to insinuate someone with a serious issue is turned away care in the US just because they can't pay?

I do know that happens in the UK though. Elective/low chance of success surgeries get declined all the time there. Some system - you have no rights and are a pawn and peasant to your government's decisions and you are proud of it. I hope your ancestors are rolling in their grave.
What an odd reference.

This **** is fascinating to be fair to him
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Here let me try and help you since you need me to do everything for you, just like a good commie.

I copied and pasted the links from an earlier post I made btw. I don't rely on other people's talking points to form my opinions. I have a brain.

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they still dont work but im sure they would have proven how great the usa health care system was. freedom and all. i want to choose my own doctor! isnt it great when you can go anywhere and not have to worry about if your doctor is covered? sounds more freeing to me but what do i know. im a commie. since you are having trouble operating your computer machine ill check back later(if there is a later since any day now NHS will explode)

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and what happens after that trauma victim leaves the hospital?
debt, bankruptcy, etc...even if they have insurance a lot of times because they are always trying to find ways to save money. thats not the humane thing to do. thats not hte moral thing to do. thats why we have to take the profit motive out of health care.

also have you heard of preemptive care? its saves money and lives. lots of uninsured/underinsured people dont have access to enough care and that puts not only their lives in jeopardy but unneeded strain on the system because it costs far more when they do finally seek treatment.

ok lets talk economics. uk spends far less and has better care than the us system. thats more economic.

but its not the best.

yes yes boo regulations yay runaway capitalism. they know whats best for us.

also i've lived in europe for many years and the health care was fine but thats anecdotal. ive been fine in the usa as well. i'm not the point. the point is what works best for everyone. it has nothing to do with freedom or hand outs. its a better system. tying health care to employment is the opposite of liberating.
Mandating that someone else has to pay for your health issues is completely opposite to liberty, and is quite frankly antithetical to everything this country was founded on.

Expecting others to pay your bill is beneath the dignity of any man. As Europe's demography changes the problems will only get worse as well.

As I said the system here in the US is not perfect and is way too expensive. But the fix is not to raise everyone's taxes and provide it for 'free'. Intuitively doing that is a terrible system - people have less regard for their own well-being since they are not footing the bill. And as pointed out, elective surgeries are declined all the time.

If you like those systems so much and hate the USAs why not go live there again.
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