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Old 05-25-2019, 11:40 PM #11
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Devin Haney and Ryan Garcia will keep winning if they stay clear of Lomachenko.
I know the WBC started some sort of tournament and I honestly hope Haney doesn't enter. He has a very bright future but he's a prospect and just not ready for Lomachenko.
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Old 05-25-2019, 11:41 PM #12
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Old 05-25-2019, 11:47 PM #13
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And no one is talking about it because Dazn kills their marketability. This was a Shobox FS1 level card. Should not be behind a paywall.
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Old 05-25-2019, 11:51 PM #14
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And no one is talking about it because Dazn kills their marketability. This was a Shobox FS1 level card. Should not be behind a paywall.

Again - the main pull of DAZN is they charge significantly less for their PPV quality fights. This card is the equivalent of a basic cable card but if you bought DAZN for the year this card probably costs like $1.

Why people are so against a service like DAZN which is significantly lowering the PPV costs, I mean I don't get it lol.
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Old 05-25-2019, 11:52 PM #15
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From what I saw I was fairly impressed. All I know that guy went 12 with Pedraza otherwise I know nothing about him or Haney really.

Until he steps up in competition it will be hard to say what he really has. But he seems like a genuinely good kid so it will be easy enough for me to root for him...
Moran also knocked out Zuniga @ 140 in his last bout. Truth is this was an incremental step up and test for Haney. IMO, it does indicate he's ready for any top 15 contender in the LW division. It looks like he's going the WBC Abdullaev route, but damn how can you not say he's ready to face the top contenders in the division ? He's already ranked #4, #4, #9, and #6. One more win and could be a title shot (unless Loma is undisputed by then).
Sure he needs another step up in competition to be considered for a shot, but I think it a bit dismissive to believe Moran was meaningless and concluded nothing. He had a close UD loss to Pedraza. It was a progressive step, imo.
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Old 05-26-2019, 12:09 AM #16
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Moran also knocked out Zuniga @ 140 in his last bout. Truth is this was an incremental step up and test for Haney. IMO, it does indicate he's ready for any top 15 contender in the LW division. It looks like he's going the WBC Abdullaev route, but damn how can you not say he's ready to face the top contenders in the division ? He's already ranked #4, #4, #9, and #6. One more win and could be a title shot (unless Loma is undisputed by then).
Sure he needs another step up in competition to be considered for a shot, but I think it a bit dismissive to believe Moran was meaningless and concluded nothing. He had a close UD loss to Pedraza. It was a progressive step, imo.
Oh I wasn't hating on him at all...I think it is really important to have these incremental step ups for fighters, especially young guys.

I confess I don't follow the weights under 147 pounds very closely, so I don't know the exact pecking order at 135.

Like I said I think Haney looks good, the only problem I see is that his next 'step up' from my vantage point is taking on Loma. And for a 20 year old kid to take on a prime top 3 pfp guy is a tough test for him.

I would be interested in seeing that fight to see where Haney's level is, but I can understand if his team doesn't want that fight right now. As I said I don't follow 135 very closely but I haven't seen anyone else around that weight who I feel would roll over Haney.

Seems like he has a good future ahead of him.
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Again - the main pull of DAZN is they charge significantly less for their PPV quality fights. This card is the equivalent of a basic cable card but if you bought DAZN for the year this card probably costs like $1.

Why people are so against a service like DAZN which is significantly lowering the PPV costs, I mean I don't get it lol.
dont bother arguing with him. He is the #1 DAZN hater around here.
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Old 05-26-2019, 12:31 AM #18
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dont bother arguing with him. He is the #1 DAZN hater around here.
Sage advice, I should know better than to engage with some posters but it is hard to always bite the tongue.
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Old 05-26-2019, 12:57 AM #19
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Oh I wasn't hating on him at all...I think it is really important to have these incremental step ups for fighters, especially young guys.

I confess I don't follow the weights under 147 pounds very closely, so I don't know the exact pecking order at 135.

Like I said I think Haney looks good, the only problem I see is that his next 'step up' from my vantage point is taking on Loma. And for a 20 year old kid to take on a prime top 3 pfp guy is a tough test for him.

I would be interested in seeing that fight to see where Haney's level is, but I can understand if his team doesn't want that fight right now. As I said I don't follow 135 very closely but I haven't seen anyone else around that weight who I feel would roll over Haney.

Seems like he has a good future ahead of him.
Oh yeah I wasn't referring to you necessarily. In the thread some guys responding to you portrayed that this fight was no test at all and that it revealed nothing.
I like this division cuz of Loma and it's closer to my own "fighting" weight (when I'm in shape). For me, I was unsure about Haney before this fight, and it was definitely a measure of his progress.
But no, at least 1 or 2 fights before considering Loma. There's Abdullaev, Fortuna, Campbell, Selby, Crolla, T. Lopez, , Nakatani, Easter, Barthelemy, Pedraza...all a next potential test before Loma. He's on the cusp. To be fair, there's very few qualified to challenge Loma, right ? Somebody with a real resume...
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Oh yeah I wasn't referring to you necessarily. In the thread some guys responding to you portrayed that this fight was no test at all and that it revealed nothing.
I like this division cuz of Loma and it's closer to my own "fighting" weight (when I'm in shape). For me, I was unsure about Haney before this fight, and it was definitely a measure of his progress.
But no, at least 1 or 2 fights before considering Loma. There's Abdullaev, Fortuna, Campbell, Selby, Crolla, T. Lopez, , Nakatani, Easter, Barthelemy, Pedraza...all a next potential test before Loma. He's on the cusp. To be fair, there's very few qualified to challenge Loma, right ? Somebody with a real resume...
The fight was not a test.

A test is to fight a threat. This opponent was no threat.

Tank would be a threat.
Loma would be a threat.

Quite a few others would be threats.

"incrementally" - the guy's been incremental long enough. He needs to be tested by a true threat. Someone will equal skill and/or power.
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