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Old 05-15-2019, 08:28 PM #41
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you can get a 9-9 round if a fighter wins a round and has a point taken away. deductions are calculated after you score the round. otherwise your post is spot on, the scoring system is literally called the "10 point must" system.
Yes I was referring to the judges themselves. maybe I should have been more clear.
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Old 05-16-2019, 01:12 AM #42
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Wrong. A knockdown is not the same as a point deducted for a foul. Knockdowns are scored within the round itself, whereas point-deductions for fouls are taken away after normal scoring, at the end of the round. The only way a boxer can win a round and end up with less than 10 points is if he has a point deducted for some infringement, as indicated by the referee. You have misunderstood the 10-point must system.




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I'm going to need to find a fight or two where I've seen this. You guys might be right but I know I've seen this. HBO Boxing After Dark comes to mind. It's just so rare to see.
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Old 05-16-2019, 02:16 AM #43
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I was always under the impression it is an automatic 10-8 round. Then with every extra knockdown it goes 10-7, 10-6 etc. But apprently that is not strictly the case in any rulebook.

One of the judge's for the first Marquez - Pacquiao fight scored the first round (in which Marquez was knocked down 3 times) 10-7 instead of 10-6 as would have made sense according to this way of thinking. His arguement was that Marquez won the round besides the three KDs, so he only took 3 points instead of 4... seriously that is his explanation.

Are there any examples of this happening in rounds with one knockdown? Would you be okay with a 10-8 round being scored 10-9, if the boxer who was KD won the rest of the round? Think Fury vs. Wilder, were Fury got caught with lucky punches and otherwise dominated the round, on both occasions.
You can score a round 10-9 with a knockdown if the downed fighter was laying a beating on the other fighter. Nothing Fury did in the rounds he was knocked down in was bigger than the KD.
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Old 05-16-2019, 06:48 AM #44
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I'm going to need to find a fight or two where I've seen this. You guys might be right but I know I've seen this. HBO Boxing After Dark comes to mind. It's just so rare to see.


you don't know what you're talking about and need to bow out of the thread. you are flat out wrong and it's been well established. it's literally called the ten point must system, dude. the winning fighter gets 10 points, the loser 9 or less. 9-9 rounds can only happen with a deduction to the winner, which is calculated after the round gets scored 10-9.
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Old 05-16-2019, 10:13 AM #45
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you don't know what you're talking about and need to bow out of the thread. you are flat out wrong and it's been well established. it's literally called the ten point must system, dude. the winning fighter gets 10 points, the loser 9 or less. 9-9 rounds can only happen with a deduction to the winner, which is calculated after the round gets scored 10-9.
I was 100% sure of this (based on the same example as losing a point), now I'm like, wtf?

10-10 seems as if it would be the logical answer instead.

Also; you've always acted like a complete ****ing ******. You know that? Lmfao.
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I was 100% sure of this (based on the same example as losing a point), now I'm like, wtf?

10-10 seems as if it would be the logical answer instead.

Also; you've always acted like a complete ****ing ******. You know that? Lmfao.

it's bleeped out dog, i can't tel what derogatory names you;re calling me!

one of us knows how to score a fight and the other does not. i can definitely see that part.
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Old 05-16-2019, 11:07 AM #47
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The most recent round I had a hard time scoring was AJ vs Wladimir.

AJ knocked Wladimir down in like, the 5th? or so round.

Wladimir comes back, and starts to dominate that round.

To me, that felt like a possible Wladimir round even though he got knocked down. I don't believe a knockdown should always indicate a loser of a round.

So how would that be scored? 9-9 (giving it Wladimir despite being knocked down)?
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it's bleeped out dog, i can't tel what derogatory names you;re calling me!

one of us knows how to score a fight and the other does not. i can definitely see that part.
I’ve looked at it and understand any small details that are the reality of the 10 pt must system.

You got real butt hurt a long time ago when you found out you couldn’t compete with me in a ring and STILL haven’t acknowledged being wrong about that.

That’s the difference between me and you. One person excels, the other stays where he’s at and is too lazy to capitalize the first letter of the first word of a sentence.
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Old 05-16-2019, 01:13 PM #49
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So bottom line, is a flash knockdown worth more than winning the round? My thinking is that it is not. Normally a fighter who knocks the other fighter down has also won the round, thus 10-9 and becomes 10-8 by adding the knockdown. It seems logical to me then that if a fighter is winning a round, is off balance but gets hit and legitimately knocked down, it's and even round, 10-10.

Note: The above is not meant to describe the 12th round of Wilder/Fury, that was no flash knockdown. I gotta give that to Wilder 10-9

Note 2: The 10 point must system should to be replaced by a better system.
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No... guys I just explained to you how it works. It's a 10 point must system. This is how it works.

Fighter A is dominating a round, gets cracked by Figher B and gets up real quick and isn't hurt.

The Round is scored 9-9. Figher A gets a 10 and figher B gets a 9. Fighter A got a point deducted for being knocked down.

It's a 9-9 round. Get it?
Sure, that makes sense, but there doesn't seem to be a consensus on how it should be. Is what you're saying what you think it should be or how it should be? Either way, like I said, it makes sense, I think the problem comes when a fighter can get knocked down 3 times and still have a 10-7 rd only against then and not the 10-6.

I've also heard people interpret the 10 point must system as the fighter that winds the round must receive 10 points, unless it's a point deduction. I actually don't know, I don't try to pretend I have any real job experience here, I just speak from what I've seen and what seems to make sense.
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