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Old 04-07-2019, 09:20 PM #41
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Well Garcia was offered $3m + PPV upside. It will be tough to gauge how much he would've actually made.

Since we can't do it that way why don't we do it another way.

I'll bet you that Danny Garcia will earn less than what Khan makes versus Crawford. One fight is nationally telveised and the other PPV

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Him earning less than Khan shows the original offer was low and the next offer needs to match what TR is giving Khan at the very least, agreed?
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Old 04-07-2019, 09:27 PM #42
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Doesn't really have options to be honest, that's why Khan is his opponent for the upcoming PPV. Besputin could be a solid option in terms of a competitive fight down the road, but not many big names for him to fight. Just looking at the landscape and the upcoming fights, DSG is free and he fights on the same day Crawford. All the others are locked up but TR can try spending another offer to DSG, this time to actually Haymon in hope to get that fight for Crawford. Won't happen unless he is getting paid like 5-6M but that's what TR will have to pay after giving Khan around that much. If they can pay Wilder 12.5M then they should be able to pay around 6M to DSG.
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Um, when did I say he is making more money against Granados than he would fighting Crawford? That is relevant to what I said in what way?

And Spence just got Garcia who is a big name and did very good PPV buys and is set to face Porter later this year.

It's not a knock to say Crawford lack a options. That's just the reality of the situation. How many options does Charlo have at 160 or Bivol at 175? Different networks own different divisions and PBC owns for the most part 147 and 154.

We shall see just how good the fight will be and how well it does in terms of PPV buys. Maybe it does really does good numbers. Good for Crawford and everyone involved if that is the case. But last I checked, Khan hasn't had one decent win in years and just got dropped by Vargas last time out. And Crawford is a MUCH bigger favorite against Khan than Spence was against Garcia.

LIS, best thing to do will be to make DSG an offer as he doesn't have anything lined up opposed to Pac/Thurman/Spence/Porter. Will have to pay big bucks but that's really the only option. Does TR really want to make the Besputin fight next? Can you make the Mean Machine fight after getting a draw against Robinson?
The whole Point of having OPTIONS in negotiations is to maximize income/profit by leveraging offers against each other. That's how basically every free agency works in NBA, MLB, NFL, etc. That's how it works in basically every area of business actually. And it's literally what happened with lion cub, Charlo, and Borat.

Borat offered pennies/peanuts to Cub's fair wage...Adams chose the Cub.

By choosing Granados Garcia is taking a PAYCUT. This IS NOT a power move and IS a DUCK. Garcia Bros talked trash and when offered a fight...DIFFERENT ENERGY. Now Garcia talking tough guy against...journeyman Granados. Wow, so impressive.

In business terms, Garcia took LESS money to fight a MORE winnable fight and PASSED on MORE money to fight a LESS winnable fight.

One could say, if he loses to Crawford his future pay suffers. Yes, no doubt.

However, if Danny is talking trash and believes in himself...he would take the Crawford fight. Suppose he wins...now he has MORE LEVERAGE against Erralda/Thurman/Porter, etc. And his pay would be HIGHER in those bouts

The dude is a CUCK and you saying he has "options" is misleading AF when the "options" are significantly worse opponents for less money. How much less is impossible to predict
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Him earning less than Khan shows the original offer was low and the next offer needs to match what TR is giving Khan at the very least, agreed?
Well that's why they're called "negotiations".

Original offer to Danny G was $3m + PPV

We don't know if the original Khan offer was any different, but we do know the final offer was $5m + PPV

Angel and Danny didn't even attempt to negotiate and instead fought Granados for less money and less bargaining power in future bouts.

People who regard Danny highly, BIGPOPPACHUMP, are Philly biased or simply poor at analyzing fighters.

Danny is a C+ fighter. He will get stopped by Spencer and TC beats him cleanly and clearly. So you can't make Danny "A" class or "elite" if he's lost 2-5 fights in his career (Herrera, Peterson, etc.) and would lose at least 2 more. He's not elite.

Same can be said for both MMAPorter and Keith Next Time Thurman

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Old 04-07-2019, 09:38 PM #44
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The whole Point of having OPTIONS in negotiations is to maximize income/profit by leveraging offers against each other. That's how basically every free agency works in NBA, MLB, NFL, etc. That's how it works in basically every area of business actually. And it's literally what happened with lion cub, Charlo, and Borat.

Borat offered pennies/peanuts to Cub's fair wage...Adams chose the Cub.

By choosing Granados Garcia is taking a PAYCUT. This IS NOT a power move and IS a DUCK. Garcia Bros talked trash and when offered a fight...DIFFERENT ENERGY. Now Garcia talking tough guy against...journeyman Granados. Wow, so impressive.

In business terms, Garcia took LESS money to fight a MORE winnable fight and PASSED on MORE money to fight a LESS winnable fight.

One could say, if he loses to Crawford his future pay suffers. Yes, no doubt.

However, if Danny is talking trash and believes in himself...he would take the Crawford fight. Suppose he wins...now he has MORE LEVERAGE against Erralda/Thurman/Porter, etc. And his pay would be HIGHER in those bouts

The dude is a CUCK and you saying he has "options" is misleading AF when the "options" are significantly worse opponents for less money. How much less is impossible to predict
Now you are all over the place. Spence is the guy who has options. Why we talking about DSG's options when this thread is about Spence and Crawford?

You said DSG is taking a pay cut vs Granados compared to what he would receive vs Crawford? That's not the point at all. The point is if Khan is getting offered 5-6M, then Garcia absolutely should as well. That shows the initial offer wasn’t good enough. I mean forget the fact they didn't even reach out to Haymon but Angel instead, if Khan was able to get damn near double of what Garcia was offered how can you defend that? That is more relevant than Garcia getting less vs Grandados, if that is indeed the case.

So let me once again make it easy for you. What TR should do after April 20 is reach out to Garcia's camp (Haymon) and this time offer him at least what Khan was offered.

I mean realistically, who do you think Crawford fights after Khan?
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Old 04-07-2019, 09:42 PM #45
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Well that's why they're called "negotiations".

Original offer to Danny G was $3m + PPV

We don't know if the original Khan offer was any different, but we do know the final offer was $5m + PPV

Angel and Danny didn't even attempt to negotiate and instead fought Granados for less money and less bargaining power in future bouts.

People who regard Danny highly, BIGPOPPACHUMP, are Philly biased or simply poor at analyzing fighters.

Danny is a C+ fighter. He will get stopped by Spencer and TC beats him cleanly and clearly. So you can't make Danny "A" class or "elite" if he's lost 2-5 fights in his career (Herrera, Peterson, etc.) and would lose at least 2 more. He's not elite.

Same can be said for both MMAPorter and Keith Next Time Thurman

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Okay, so this time around come with an offer that is in the ballpark of Khan's offer and negotiate from there. Once again, when did I say Garcia is a great fighter? He's certainly a much bigger name than other options Crawford has and is a good fighter. Of course Crawford will be the favourite over him, doesn't mean the fight isn't much better than Mean Machine or Collazo.

And again, they reached to Angel who according to himself hasn't made one fight for Danny. So if they were serious, they would have reached out to Haymon or one his guys who make fights for him like DeCubas.

But let's stop talking about the past. Let's talk about what TR should do after April 20.
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Old 04-07-2019, 09:50 PM #46
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It's not beyond clear yet. Let's wait and see what Crawford/Khan does, but we are certainly heading into that direction. Will be interesting to see how many buys Spence/Porter does.

We shall see, what option would Arum have if a Co-PPV just isn't going to be realistic? I sense that Crawford puts major pressure on Arum and the fight happens even if it isn't an ESPN, despite Crawford's recent comments.
Errol Spence Jr sold out that Coney Island venue, put something like 13000+ into Barclays Center at premium event pricing ($50-$500), sold out the Cowboys training facility in Frisco, and is coming off of putting 45000 into AT&T Stadium. Spence Jr vs Porter, when it likely gets made, will draw really well in Brooklyn or JerryLand.

Crawford can sell well in Omaha, maybe well at $50-$500 in Omaha, that's about it. Let's see what this Khan fight, but if it goes about as well as one would expect, we know the answer already.

Terence Crawford gave up any "pressure" that he could exert when he extended his next five years to Arum because of seeing his guarantee doubled.

No different than Mikey, Arum has shown that he has no qualms sitting a guy on the shelf for however long it takes for them to follow his play.
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Errol Spence Jr sold out that Coney Island venue, put something like 13000+ into Barclays Center at premium event pricing ($50-$500), sold out the Cowboys training facility in Frisco, and is coming off of putting 45000 into AT&T Stadium. Spence Jr vs Porter, when it likely gets made, will draw really well in Brooklyn or JerryLand.

Crawford can sell well in Omaha, maybe well at $50-$500 in Omaha, that's about it. Let's see what this Khan fight, but if it goes about as well as one would expect, we know the answer already.

Terence Crawford gave up any "pressure" that he could exert when he extended his next five years to Arum because of seeing his guarantee doubled.

No different than Mikey, Arum has shown that he has no qualms sitting a guy on the shelf for however long it takes for them to follow his play.
You gotta give Crawford a chance against Khan first to say who is the A-side, that's all.

I even said we are heading towards a clear A-side, but can't say that before the actual PPV in a few weeks.

Bud re-signing with TR was fine. He feels comfortable there and got a great offer. But he could do more than you actually think here, especially once it becomes clear that Spence is the A-side. He can tell Arum to send him there to make the fight and he's not taking a no for an answer.
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Well Garcia was offered $3m + PPV upside. It will be tough to gauge how much he would've actually made.

Since we can't do it that way why don't we do it another way.

I'll bet you that Danny Garcia will earn less than what Khan makes versus Crawford. One fight is nationally telveised and the other PPV

Interested?
What PPV upside are you even talking about? Especially when Crawford's last PPV did something like 50k PPV buys and you basically need to cover Danny's $3m, Crawford's $3m, the cost of the undercard, and Arum's piece (likely 200k+ PPV buys) before any talks of upside, lol.

Hilarious that you've now tried to move a $3m purse bet to a $5m purse bet the moment you saw that you stepped into some ****, lol. Waste of time
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The whole Point of having OPTIONS in negotiations is to maximize income/profit by leveraging offers against each other. That's how basically every free agency works in NBA, MLB, NFL, etc. That's how it works in basically every area of business actually. And it's literally what happened with lion cub, Charlo, and Borat.

Borat offered pennies/peanuts to Cub's fair wage...Adams chose the Cub.

By choosing Granados Garcia is taking a PAYCUT. This IS NOT a power move and IS a DUCK. Garcia Bros talked trash and when offered a fight...DIFFERENT ENERGY. Now Garcia talking tough guy against...journeyman Granados. Wow, so impressive.

In business terms, Garcia took LESS money to fight a MORE winnable fight and PASSED on MORE money to fight a LESS winnable fight.

One could say, if he loses to Crawford his future pay suffers. Yes, no doubt.

However, if Danny is talking trash and believes in himself...he would take the Crawford fight. Suppose he wins...now he has MORE LEVERAGE against Erralda/Thurman/Porter, etc. And his pay would be HIGHER in those bouts

The dude is a CUCK and you saying he has "options" is misleading AF when the "options" are significantly worse opponents for less money. How much less is impossible to predict
Except he didn't likely take a pay cut, a point made blatantly clear by your immediate move to take a bet over a $3m purse to a bet over a $5m purse, lol.

Crawford-Khan isn't going to break 200k PPV buys.
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What PPV upside are you even talking about? Especially when Crawford's last PPV did something like 50k PPV buys and you basically need to cover Danny's $3m, Crawford's $3m, the cost of the undercard, and Arum's piece (likely 200k+ PPV buys) before any talks of upside, lol.

Hilarious that you've now tried to move a $3m purse bet to a $5m purse bet the moment you saw that you stepped into some ****, lol. Waste of time
Well that was last PPV and this is this PPV. Is that really your logic? Funny...
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I didn't try to move anything. There's no way of knowing how many PPV buys Terrence v Danny would do since its not happening. But I'd be surprised if Danny makes more than $3m against Granados
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