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Old 03-17-2019, 06:53 PM #181
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Interesting fact for you about differences in europe

Christian africans and muslims in general don't really get along, they don't like each other and they don't mix.
christen africans and muslims black africans do,probaly a black thing)) and that counts not only for black africans but also black caribbeans

i know in America it's different and you all stick together more but it's not like that here
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There was a recent Dutch study on this and a similar danish. I can see if I can dig up an article if you want?

Im not surprised that its different in the us since you are a country of migrants. In Europe we have more than a millennium as nations and borders shaped by centuries of war.
That's why i try not to comment on areas/things i know nothing about.
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Old 03-17-2019, 06:55 PM #182
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That's why i try not to comment on areas/things i know nothing about.
You may try, but you sure don't succeed very often.
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In the US the TV stations brainwash gullible urban people into thinking the world is all about "People of color VS white supremacy". Very few of them know anything about the outside world.

They don't understand the complicated internal conflicts of the Middle East at all. The natives who the Arab Muslims wiped out, the history of Sunni vs Shia the ethnic divisions even between Muslims.

If you tell them mass Islamic immigration is a bad idea, then they freak out and accuse you of wanting "mass deportations and Nazi death camps".

This works very heavily in the favor of Islamic political expansion.
True,it's even more funnier when you know how much they hate hitler and nazism and defend islam,but in fact hitler himself was a great admirer of islam and the ideology and for a good reason.

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Old 03-17-2019, 07:24 PM #185
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- "Extreme far-right". Strike one, lie. Don't open with a lie or people assume the rest is also a lie.

As for his response, algebraic logic is a good excuse since nearly all of the terror attacks come from the direction of that religion, they're currently colonizing his country and the mosque that was attacked recruited ISIS members.

He's right, if you don't want more of this, you stem the tide. If you want more of it, you continue with the colonization. Deep down you agree with him. Even if there's only 1 revenge terror attack for every 1,000 Islamic terror attacks, they will happen.

I know you cant respond with your honest opinions without being arrested & thrown in a cage for questioning Islam (UK) but I'll assume you agree.
Its not a lie, it's abject fact. The fact you refute this leaves ignorance or bias to the point of delusion as your options.

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Anning holds far-right, and anti-immigration views

On 14 August 2018, Anning delivered his maiden speech to the Senate. In it, he called for a plebiscite to reintroduce racial and religious discrimination in immigration policy,

He is a public opponent of same sex marriage.

His family was involved in the frontier conflict as they forcibly took the land from the local Aboriginal people. In response to the spearing of cattle, the Annings would ride out with firearms, attack Aboriginal campsites and capture young boys who survived in order to use them as labour on their cattle and sheep stations.[8] The Annings at times also requested the services of the local Native Police paramilitary unit to assist in clearing "blacks" off their runs.

One Nation Party) is a nationalist, right-wing populist party in Australia.


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Old 03-17-2019, 07:40 PM #186
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Its not a lie, it's abject fact. The fact you refute this leaves ignorance or bias to the point of delusion as your options.

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Anning holds far-right, and anti-immigration views

On 14 August 2018, Anning delivered his maiden speech to the Senate. In it, he called for a plebiscite to reintroduce racial and religious discrimination in immigration policy,

He is a public opponent of same sex marriage.

His family was involved in the frontier conflict as they forcibly took the land from the local Aboriginal people. In response to the spearing of cattle, the Annings would ride out with firearms, attack Aboriginal campsites and capture young boys who survived in order to use them as labour on their cattle and sheep stations.[8] The Annings at times also requested the services of the local Native Police paramilitary unit to assist in clearing "blacks" off their runs.

One Nation Party) is a nationalist, right-wing populist party in Australia.


Nice man that people are defending and associating themselves with.
Dont bother

The guy is so deluded that he doesnt realise that his family are exactly the types of people that Anning is against

Meanwhile, nearly 4% of Australias population has signed a petition demanding his removal from office in just 2 days

Wont happen but just goes to show how clueless//// really is
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Old 03-18-2019, 02:18 AM #187
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I'm a white too and from belgium right in the hotspot,
I want to help you get a better understanding on what the problem in europe exactly is, because i saw you post on the nordic.

France
Germany
The Netherlands
Belgium
The Uk
Sweden and those Nordic countries

We all basically have the same type of problems, you can see the same problems in each country.
And they are almost always 2nd to 3rd generation already.
The problems involve small crimes (theft, drugs dealing and so on).
And more serious crimes too.

No respect for native women
and what i mean by that is ;
When they see women who are not wearing headscarfs
they automatically, a lot of the younger ones don't respect them and see them
as nothing more then whores and sluts,because their own women are more respectful because they cover themselves up.
they would never act toward their own women, the way they treat western women.
Ill give an example of a my girlfriend
(now my ex girlfriend who was half white half ghanaian by the way).

She was in a club,talking to her friend sitting there somewhere at a table,Moroccon guy comes over and tries to get her number, she told him she wasn't interested, so he threw a glass in her face, threw her on the ground and beat her up.because she refused him...

Like battlenelson stated,they don't integrate, they always stay with own ethnic population, in their own groups, each new generation, and they always hang out in the street getting into trouble.
A big part of the problem i believe is "education",and that the parents often fail to give their children a good education in their communities.

It's worth nothing that the attackers in Paris and in Brussels where from Belgium,Molenbeek. Except for Abduhsalaam he was French but he lived in Molenbeek.
They were all 2nd and 3rd generation

Belgium has been ruled for decades by the socialists,
So they always had everything they wanted, from school to healthcare, housing,welfare.

Now the reason why many are so apposed now to the refugees. are for the reasons i wrote down,
we see that's it's a failed policy, no integration and it doesn't get better with the following generations.
also important is Losing identity, for example Antwerp our second biggest city, we have more foreigners living there then native people.
When Trump spoke about Brussels that it was a hell hole, he's not entirely incorrect,
Brussels is dangerous, taking the subway in brussel results in a high chance of being robbed and beaten up in the process,
walk into the wrong neighbourhood and you have trouble,
especially for women, i would be seriously worried if my girl had to walk at night in Brussels thru certain areas.
That being said of course you have succes stories and some adjust good, study good and have good jobs, but it is the minorty when we are talking about that
Your commentary is spot on...It haunts me frankly...I have heard similar from people I respect who are in those areas. Also, there has been a tendency for Europe to be held up as a model of success..and that was lost years ago, as I saw the wisdom of the melting pot that is America. I did live in Canada a while and so, had the opportunity to see a different system...the truth is Canada is a lot like the United States in many respects, despite some core philosophical differences.

I do want to clarify one thing about my opinion. My logic is not: because all religious extremists will bring about the same results, the specific problems with Muslim assimilation are trivial, or NOT unique. Also there is a caveat about religions as well that I will explain. The specific problems you mention about actions and beliefs need an aggressive thwarting and not a sermon on accepting the bullying of others...no matter the creed of the bully. In other words, police should act consistently and with force against people who violate others, anywhere, at any time....Period!

Monotheistic religions are based on the premise there is one God and all others are not in some way legitimate. Therefore in my opinion, and in history as well, one will see much more aggression, and problems with assimilation regarding monotheistic religions as a whole. Now lets talk about the problems as they are reflected in a young, Muslim population that is in Europe presently.

I do think we agree that a lack of education, parenting, etc cause problems. You seem to also imply that there is something inherent in Islamic tradition that makes for a lack of assimilation into the mainstream. I agree with you but perhaps in a different order of instrumentation: I don't think there is anything about Islam that precludes people assimilating, so much as the conditions that cause a lack of assimilation are exacerbated by the belief that one religion is supreme over another. I believe this proposition makes it easy for one to justify anything in the name of a God, and hence, makes people very easy to radicalize.

We see this with uneducated Jews as well as Muslims... Many of the religious Jews in Israel came into the country from places like Brooklyn and Chicago...These radicalized settlers have caused problems for Israel that are in some ways similar...For example, the religious Jews refusing mandatory religious service...It does not apply to them...very similar to radicalized Muslim elements saying, native laws do not apply to them. And the violence is similar as well... In both cases the country did not assimilate the elements well at all.

Now what about other religions? Well Kashmir was the birth of many religions, I believe the Sikhs were rooted there, at least in the mystical Suffi Islamic traditions that are part of their heritage (along with Hindu elements).... You do see terrorist groups that have come out of this area for sure. But many of the conflicts became political in nature. Pakistan was one product of that process actually....

Yet, many many people practice Buddhism for example and have their own Buddhist organizations... Traditionally there have been rules of conduct that are used to control the behavior of the group. As a matter of fact fighting monks were used that way (Kung Fu Shao Lin etc) because they were slow... Hence they were taught to guard the monastery and abide by the simple moral imperatives laid down called the "eight fold path."

My point is that other religions seem to control the process of "radicalization" much better than the monotheistic religions! The things you mention are real problems and they do ultimately have to deal with assimilation. I believe that all Muslims have to take a stand against the radical elements of the community, and that we certainly have to control immigration and make certain demands upon those allowed to immigrate. And...I do feel the pain of the conflict in Europe presently, it is sad and does no group any good.

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Let me explain it to you like the moron you are.

You complain about immigration and white genocide/replacement by immigrants.
You an immigrant and not white.
Therefore you should go back to your own country and stop the very thing you complain about.
How do you know he is not White? The Middle East has Persians, and other minorities that are not Arab.
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There was a recent Dutch study on this and a similar danish. I can see if I can dig up an article if you want?

I’m not surprised that it’s different in the us since you are a country of migrants. In Europe we have more than a millennium as nations and borders shaped by centuries of war.
Yes. I am suprised that many who argue about these trends fail to understand the large role that immigration policy plays in creating a scenario. hostility and the desire not to assimilate is dangerous and if a policy fails to address that condition there will be problems.

Batts one product of European Nation States is h0m0genius populations. The United States concept of the melting pot goes on the assumption that a population is Heterogenius. Every Immigrant group being expected to make some changes, and to retain some things in the name of assimilation.

The United States and France particularly also stressed secular values with a suspicion about religion in public places. This is one aspect of Church/State being seperate in nature. When a country loses its secular values it is vulnerable to religious intolerance.

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