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Old 03-04-2019, 12:02 AM #11
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This is exactly how I saw the fight. I don't see how you can find a draw for Castano.... Lara threw more, landed more, and was landing the cleaner shots. I don't give guys rounds for cutting off the ring and hitting gloves and a couple glancing blows, especially when the other guy is landing clean work consistently.
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Old 03-04-2019, 12:16 AM #12
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This is one of those fights where it came down to two things: body shots (where Lara excelled) and whether your punch moved your opponent's head without their permission. See my reply below on that second one.



Go back and watch it again. Times Lara got hit clean, his head CLEARLY moved. There weren't that many of those situations. Yet, when Lara split the guard, he went for the body and the chest more than the head. When he DID go for the head, he connected more than he didn't. There was also a very clear speed difference; Lara's 1-2 was there and done before Castano's hook got halfway thrown.


And another thing: Castano tried to pull a Manny and show up in the last 30 seconds of the round which I believe swayed a lot of people to think he had a better performance than he did. Sorry - you don't get thumped on for 2 minutes, then get a couple of good shots in the last 30 seconds and win the round. Not on my watch

I donít disagree with your post and I still believe that Castano got more shots in
Clearly your right about the speed factor which favoured Lara
I can also agree the cleaner shots were from Lara
But in a whole i feel that Castano landed much more and maybe not as often as Lara but beautiful fughin left hooks to the body and many right hooks to the head
Now let me ask you how do you feel about all the clinching and running Lara did
Clearly must mean something persuaded him to react in that manner
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Old 03-04-2019, 12:24 AM #13
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Just because a fight is close on the cards, doesn't mean a decision isn't clear or decisive. Lara clearly won at least 7 rounds, which made it a close but clear win.
Thats not what you said in your post
Nobody spoke about the cards being close or not
You said it was close but a clear win
Now your mentioning the cards
I couldnít care less about the cards but what I believe I saw was Castano being sloppy , inaccurate and not consistent but still imo got the better of Lara
Now I can agree they might not have been clear shots but I still consider three punches to one of Laraís accurate shots to be more landed than Lara
I thought Castano won 7 rounds and can swallow the draw
But had they given it to Lara , well then I would of yelled fix
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Old 03-04-2019, 12:34 AM #14
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Now let me ask you how do you feel about all the clinching and running Lara did
Clearly must mean something persuaded him to react in that manner
No, Lara always fights like that. Clinches are the main way to nullify an aggressive fighter and Lara used them to that effect. Even the commentators talked about it.

I know this. When my scorecard is THAT close to Steve Farhood, I know I'm not seeing things. If all one fighter has is aggression, that's not enough to win a fight IMO.

Put it this way. What I saw was the same basic idea as Saunders/Lemieux. If you thought Saunders put on a clinic, there's no way you can't see Lara putting on the same clinic.
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Old 03-04-2019, 12:49 AM #15
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No, Lara always fights like that. Clinches are the main way to nullify an aggressive fighter and Lara used them to that effect. Even the commentators talked about it.

I know this. When my scorecard is THAT close to Steve Farhood, I know I'm not seeing things. If all one fighter has is aggression, that's not enough to win a fight IMO.

Put it this way. What I saw was the same basic idea as Saunders/Lemieux. If you thought Saunders put on a clinic, there's no way you can't see Lara putting on the same clinic.

Let me put it this way , I respect your opinion and gladly agree to disagree
I thought between the holding and running ( I also thought Lara should of been penalized for holding ) , Lara hit a lot of elbows and arms
Didnít think he broke the guard as often as Ronallo kept saying he did , and I believe you canít win a fight by fighting the first minute of the round and then pot shot ( or 1-2 Ďs as heís better known ) and take the round
Thatís the beauty of boxing , their will always be controversy because not one or the other are alike and we donít all see the same thing
Imo I saw the fight exactly the way you saw it for the other guy , give or take
Rematch it is , can we agree on that lol
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Old 03-04-2019, 12:51 AM #16
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No, Lara always fights like that. Clinches are the main way to nullify an aggressive fighter and Lara used them to that effect. Even the commentators talked about it.

I know this. When my scorecard is THAT close to Steve Farhood, I know I'm not seeing things. If all one fighter has is aggression, that's not enough to win a fight IMO.

Put it this way. What I saw was the same basic idea as Saunders/Lemieux. If you thought Saunders put on a clinic, there's no way you can't see Lara putting on the same clinic.

Lemieux vs Saunders now that was a classic fughin clinic

Psss I hate BJS guts , a real piece of fughin trash as a fighter and human
Harsh you say ; I say fugh him lol
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Let me put it this way , I respect your opinion and gladly agree to disagree
I thought between the holding and running ( I also thought Lara should of been penalized for holding ) , Lara hit a lot of elbows and arms
Didnít think he broke the guard as often as Ronallo kept saying he did , and I believe you canít win a fight by fighting the first minute of the round and then pot shot ( or 1-2 Ďs as heís better known ) and take the round
Thatís the beauty of boxing , their will always be controversy because not one or the other are alike and we donít all see the same thing
Imo I saw the fight exactly the way you saw it for the other guy , give or take
Rematch it is , can we agree on that lol
If I'm either guy, I wouldn't rematch. It's a bad style match up.

What confuses me is, you acknowledge Lara hit cleaner; you acknowledge Lara was faster and sharper; you acknowledge Castano was sloopy, but somehow Lara doesn't deserve a win? How does that work?
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If I'm either guy, I wouldn't rematch. It's a bad style match up.

What confuses me is, you acknowledge Lara hit cleaner; you acknowledge Lara was faster and sharper; you acknowledge Castano was sloopy, but somehow Lara doesn't deserve a win? How does that work?
I just find Castano landed more than Lara
What I acknowledge is Lara is faster , his shots were cleaner but not more than Castano
I think if Castano could box a little less sloppy then we would not be having this conversation
Boxing is beautiful when done like an artwork but doesnít mean you cannot give a sloppy fighter the win just because itís not perfect
Not sure if I explained myself well , but I think you can relate to what I mean
Plus this was Castanoís first big fight in the spotlight which I think baffled him quite a bit
The man is a proven winner and great amateur 185-5 if Iím not mistaken
Not many fighters can say they own wins over Spence jr and Dery
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If I'm either guy, I wouldn't rematch. It's a bad style match up.

What confuses me is, you acknowledge Lara hit cleaner; you acknowledge Lara was faster and sharper; you acknowledge Castano was sloopy, but somehow Lara doesn't deserve a win? How does that work?
I think if their were to be a rematch , Castano would return to his old ways and definitely have a clear win and maybe even a late knockout
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Castano was too hesitant and that's what cost him the fight. Whenever he turned the match into an inside fight he did his best work.Whenever he bullied Lara along the ropes and continued punching he was winning those battles. Castanos weakness is that he prefers to be a precision sharp puncher and he didn't like wasting all his energy by missing shots ....not to mention getting countered. BUT even though he missed a lot of punches, it was during those exchanges that he was also connecting a lot more than he was on the outside. I'm not sure that Castanos had the confidence that he had the stamina to do that all night. Had he fought that way, he could have won.....but Lara could have caught him with a good counter punch and hurt him too.
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