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Old 11-09-2016, 11:01 PM #81
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Another thing that has me concerned about this election, that has nothing to do with Trump, BTW...

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Congress just had a 97% reelection rate despite only having 20% approval of the American people.

It basically underscores how broken the whole system is. Ask any voter on the street what they think about the job congress has done for the last X years and they'll tell you it's a disgrace and that we should throw them out of office. Then they'll quietly walk in to their voting booth and reelect their incumbents because "it's not my congressmen that's the problem - it's those other guys."

We'll never learn.
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Old 11-09-2016, 11:07 PM #82
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I'm torn on congressional term limits, honestly.

I get the argument against them, with the crux of that argument being the longer you're around the more likely you are to become beholden to lobbyists and special interests.

But the other side's argument that I'd heard is that basically that experience really means a lot in Washington. That when you're a newcomer your colleagues don't take you as seriously and you're not granted the same kind of influence or sway on key issues as that one senator or governor who has been around the block a few times and has the political bruises to show for it.

Basically, that newcomers don't know how the system works and are more likely to refuse compromise, whereas when you do it for years you're more likely to compromise on legislation because you've made friends across the aisle and are therefore more likely to listen to them.

I'm not sure I hold a strong opinion on it either way. Both arguments seem to make a lot of sense to me as I've heard them laid out by people both for and against term limits.
That's BS.... With term limits, everyone is basically a newcomer. Yeah under current system newcomers can't get anything done because there are people with 30+ Years in congress that have the place under lock.
We have term limits for president, why not congress...
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Old 11-09-2016, 11:16 PM #83
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That's BS.... With term limits, everyone is basically a newcomer. Yeah under current system newcomers can't get anything done because there are people with 30+ Years in congress that have the place under lock.
We have term limits for president, why not congress...
I get the arguments for it and against it. Like I said, it's not an issue I take a stance on either way.

I could see term limits helping eliminate the influence of lobbyists for sure, but I could also see it leading to generation after generation of newcomers who were unwilling to work across the aisle with each other because nobody was actually a friend of anybody else and, therefore, they weren't willing to stick out their neck for them to help them pass a crucial piece of legislation.

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A free market perspective is the absolute worst case scenario for the internet.

Enjoy paying surcharges for visiting websites without the proper corporate green lights.

A free market economy is what got it passed in the first place. Do you not remember the free market blacking out the internet?

Noo... you are to socialist to ever remember anything the free market does. Because too you, the will of the people is never the free market, when that is actually what the free market is. The will of the people to decide how things work.
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That's BS.... With term limits, everyone is basically a newcomer. Yeah under current system newcomers can't get anything done because there are people with 30+ Years in congress that have the place under lock.
We have term limits for president, why not congress...
why not the supreme court as well?

the highest court of the land and you decide the most important cases of america until you senile and can no longer wipe your own ass????

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A free market economy is what got it passed in the first place. Do you not remember the free market blacking out the internet?

Noo... you are to socialist to ever remember anything the free market does. Because too you, the will of the people is never the free market, when that is actually what the free market is. The will of the people to decide how things work.
not to mention it was president obama who gave away american government internet control to a private company in ICANN.

if anybody is to blamed for being charged to visit american websites its president nobel peace prize even doe i am commander in chief of a nation that sells weapons that kill poor brown people allover the world and i start wars and destablize nations and have continued war hawk bushe's drone policy programs liberal peaceful guy president obama.

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It's not about lower tax rates, it's about what happens to tax revenue after the rate change.

Three times, in my lifetime alone, lower tax rates have resulted in higher tax revenues.

This 'lower tax rates equates to less taxes paid' is nothing but a talking point that the Party of Gruber uses to fool people.
Yeah, hopefully he induces a lot of growth.

I'm just talking about the initial funding for these infrastructure projects, America has a big deficit.
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I get the arguments for it and against it. Like I said, it's not an issue I take a stance on either way.

I could see term limits helping eliminate the influence of lobbyists for sure, but I could also see it leading to generation after generation of newcomers who were unwilling to work across the aisle with each other because nobody was actually a friend of anybody else and, therefore, they weren't willing to stick out their neck for them to help them pass a crucial piece of legislation.

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Originally Posted by !! Shawn View Post
A free market economy is what got it passed in the first place. Do you not remember the free market blacking out the internet?

Noo... you are to socialist to ever remember anything the free market does. Because too you, the will of the people is never the free market, when that is actually what the free market is. The will of the people to decide how things work.
Socialism and the dreaded "big government" is what gave us the internet in the first place.

As well as the technologies such as the GPS, touchscreen, and more that makes smartphones possible.

Those same corporations rake in billions and refuse to pay taxes

They wouldn't even exist without public funding

Free markets my ass.
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