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Old 10-25-2020, 07:56 AM #41
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Publicly hang him!! Whip the other cops for not stopping it.
What is frustrating to me is that there is such an easy solution to solving this problem, but because of politics and power, people are left divided and arguing over punishments to individuals who are predators (Chauvin) but allowed to be by a system that reinforces the behavoir.

Lets take an analogy: If tomorrow all the medical insurance companies left the Earth... we could have hospitals that had to fufill the mandate to provide care under the aegis of medical professionals. The cost would be so low that the price for the product would be easy to give every American ten times over!

There are doctors right now that do not take insurance, use a motel wing as a hospital and can afford to make a mint, and charge people an incredibly small charge compared to the cost of the procedure under insurance: Operations that cost 100 of thousands can be had for 5k...

But we will never be able to get rid of the leeches, the insurance companies and the hospitals that operate for profit INDEPENDENT of taking care of patients... Not profiting by way of insurance scams, upping the price of things like Aspirin...

With police brutality it is the same: Instead of having realistic Use of Force policies, politically minded individuals have created an artificial system that tells cops to shoot at the slightest provocations, does not provide for dealing with people with mental conditions, and does not care about the victims of these dreadful policies.

All it would take to solve the major problems would be to get rid of these individuals who make, support, and enforce these policies. The cops would the be trained in proper use of force policies and the policies would be balanced.

It is all about those in control keeping control.
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Old 10-25-2020, 09:46 AM #42
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What is frustrating to me is that there is such an easy solution to solving this problem, but because of politics and power, people are left divided and arguing over punishments to individuals who are predators (Chauvin) but allowed to be by a system that reinforces the behavoir.

Lets take an analogy: If tomorrow all the medical insurance companies left the Earth... we could have hospitals that had to fufill the mandate to provide care under the aegis of medical professionals. The cost would be so low that the price for the product would be easy to give every American ten times over!

There are doctors right now that do not take insurance, use a motel wing as a hospital and can afford to make a mint, and charge people an incredibly small charge compared to the cost of the procedure under insurance: Operations that cost 100 of thousands can be had for 5k...


But we will never be able to get rid of the leeches, the insurance companies and the hospitals that operate for profit INDEPENDENT of taking care of patients... Not profiting by way of insurance scams, upping the price of things like Aspirin...

With police brutality it is the same: Instead of having realistic Use of Force policies, politically minded individuals have created an artificial system that tells cops to shoot at the slightest provocations, does not provide for dealing with people with mental conditions, and does not care about the victims of these dreadful policies.

All it would take to solve the major problems would be to get rid of these individuals who make, support, and enforce these policies. The cops would the be trained in proper use of force policies and the policies would be balanced.

It is all about those in control keeping control.
My sister is a nurse and many doctors do this for people without insurance.
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Old 10-26-2020, 10:47 AM #43
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He paid his debt to society yet he was on illegal drugs and using forged banknotes

Clearly a man who had changed his ways.
Yes, clearly a man who had changed his ways. He stopped pointing his gun on pregnant women, just a shame he couldn't lay off the drugs that would've killed him later that night possibly. The cop used the department's protocol, Floyd had so much drugs in him, had the cop not done what he did, experts say Floyd could've died in his sleep later that night. When you think about it, this worked out for Floyd. Because of this, he got like 50 something funerals/receptions, whereas had he never used his fake 20 and none of this ever happened, he would've possibly been found dead in his sleep and his family would've had to pay for a funeral.
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Old 10-26-2020, 10:50 AM #44
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If thats true then they should've just let him die on his own. nobody would care about a junkie. .. But.. kneeling on that junkie's neck for 8+ minutes kinda makes the whole "he was gonna die anyway" thing go out the window.

its like if you're having a stroke and i shoot u in the head.. you were gonna die anyway right?
Just going off of what these experts say about how much drugs he had in his body. But again, the cop did what was protocol, folks might not like it but that is what the protocol is. If only Floyd wasn't lying and lying and lying and then resisted, then maybe the knee to throat wouldn't have been needed.
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Old 10-26-2020, 11:05 AM #45
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Just going off of what these experts say about how much drugs he had in his body. But again, the cop did what was protocol, folks might not like it but that is what the protocol is. If only Floyd wasn't lying and lying and lying and then resisted, then maybe the knee to throat wouldn't have been needed.
No... As stated by other cops, formers, use of force experts, etc, there is no "protocal" for a knee to the throat. There are other ways to restrain someone. Better ways actually.
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Old 10-26-2020, 11:15 AM #46
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No... As stated by other cops, formers, use of force experts, etc, there is no "protocal" for a knee to the throat. There are other ways to restrain someone. Better ways actually.
Thank you for saving me from having to interact with that scumbag. lol.
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No... As stated by other cops, formers, use of force experts, etc, there is no "protocal" for a knee to the throat. There are other ways to restrain someone. Better ways actually.
Bottom line, it IS allowed. George Floyd death: Experts say knee-to-neck restraint is dangerous, but Minneapolis allows it


Minneapolis Police Department's policy manual is available on-line and shows that as a protocol.

People don't like the way Floyd Mayweather does his business, but he's allowed to do it, so he does it.

I'm not disagreeing that there are other ways to restrain someone, I'm just saying Minneapolis allows it so he did something which is allowed. Floyd should've never used that fake 20.

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Old 10-26-2020, 11:30 AM #48
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Bottom line, it IS allowed. George Floyd death: Experts say knee-to-neck restraint is dangerous, but Minneapolis allows it


Minneapolis Police Department's policy manual is available on-line and shows that as a protocol.

People don't like the way Floyd Mayweather does his business, but he's allowed to do it, so he does it.

I'm not disagreeing that there are other ways to restrain someone, I'm just saying Minneapolis allows it so he did something which is allowed. Floyd should've never used that fake 20.
There is a police manual on line that says it is protocal for a knee to the neck? could you provide that link please?

Where is there a statement that this restraint is allowed? Experts may not cite a reference... they did say it is not the right way to do things. So there is a material difference between a manual stating something about a restraint and an expert opinion.
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I found what he is talking about. He is still wrong.

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"unconscious neck restraint" *shall be applied only on a subject who is exhibiting active aggression, or for lifesaving purposes, or on a subject "who is exhibiting active resistance in order to gain control of the subject; and if lesser attempts at control have been or would likely be ineffective."

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Also, here's what is considered "active resistance."

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Active Resistance: The subject’s verbal or physical actions are intended to prevent an officer from placing the subject in custody and taking control but are not directed at harming the officer. Examples include:

walking or running away

breaking the officer’s grip

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Which we know it wasn't:

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He wasn’t actively resisting, and he was saying he couldn’t breathe,” said Charles P. Stephenson, a former police officer and FBI agent with expertise in use-of-force tactics. “You have to understand that possibility is there (that Floyd couldn’t breathe), and you release any kind of restriction you might have on an airway immediately.”

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If he was resisting at all at the point of the unconscious knee restraint, it would be passive resistance.

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Passive Resistance: The subject is not complying with an officer's commands and is uncooperative but is taking only minimal physical action to prevent an officer from placing the subject in custody and taking control. Examples include:

standing stationary and not moving upon lawful direction

falling limply and refusing to use their power to move (becoming "dead weight")

holding onto a fixed object or locking arms to another during a protest or demonstration

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I don't even think it was passive resistance at that point.

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