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Old 06-08-2019, 11:34 PM #21
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I thought we were dealing with facts. You said i only have opinions but then argue my fact with your opinion.
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Ruiz beat the best HW in the world, something Wilder has never done.
Stop calling Frank Bruno the best HW in the world you embarrassed yourself enough mate
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Old 06-08-2019, 11:35 PM #22
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Stop calling Frank Bruno the best HW in the world you embarrassed yourself enough mate
There you go with an opinion. FACTS, do you know what one is?
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Old 06-08-2019, 11:37 PM #23
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There you go with an opinion. FACTS, do you know what one is?
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Old 06-09-2019, 09:19 AM #24
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My point is Ruiz was not a top guy until he beat AJ ... so AJ doesnít get credit for fighting a top guy since he wasnít that when they fought. Of course Ruiz should be elevated, but AJ doesnít get credit for losing to some top-two or top-three guy because Ruiz wasnít that when they fought.

Likewise, I agree. You canít pump up AJís resume by saying he fought Ruiz without acknowledging that he lost to him. Losing to Ruiz does not enhance AJís record.
You can argue fury wasnít top guy when he fought wilder also? Or certainly when he fought Klitschko (and was made #1 afterwards).

Ruiz was around top10 before but like anyone, win and you move up.

I didnít make original post but itís clearly fair to say Joshua has fought consistently too end opposition where as fury and wilder have only fought a couple each
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Old 06-09-2019, 11:57 AM #25
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Ruiz beat the #1 HW in the world. How is he worse than Wilder?
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and also lost to Parker. Wilder and Fury are yet to lose their (boxing) virginity.
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Old 06-09-2019, 12:12 PM #26
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and also lost to Parker. Wilder and Fury are yet to lose their (boxing) virginity.
A debatable loss. Wilder has a clear loss that counts as a draw.
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So again how is he worse than Wilder?
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Old 06-09-2019, 12:17 PM #27
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AJ is in 4th place at Heavyweight now.

Fury:
-defeated younger version of Wlad
-had balls to face Wilder
-undefeated
-Lineal Heavyweight Champion

Wilder:
-had balls to face Fury
-Superior fighter vs common opponent Dominic Breazeale, brutal KO that AJ could only dream of
-undefeated

Andy Ruiz:
-Brutal destruction of Anthony Joshua, took all his belts

Anthony Joshua:
-Living off coatails of Wlad win over 2 years ago
-inferior performance vs Dominic Breazeale, power is clearly lacking compared to Deontay
-suffered brutal defeat at hands of clinically obese Andy Ruiz
-not undefeated
-has no belts
-never became lineal champion
-ducked Wilder
-ducked Fury
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Old 06-10-2019, 12:11 AM #28
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A debatable loss. Wilder has a clear loss that counts as a draw.
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So again how is he worse than Wilder?
Do you go by real statistics or fantasy, wishful, made-up ones?

Once you come back to the real world, you will realize that amongst the top 3 only 2 have fought each other. They also hold a belt or title (even if self-proclaimed Lineal champion).

What does AJ have as of today?
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Old 06-10-2019, 12:17 AM #29
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Fury went to germany and beat klitschko, and went to america and beat Wilder although was robbed.

That beats any win or accumulation of wins of either Joshua or Wilder. the only competition to this is Andy Ruiz's win over Joshua.
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Old 06-10-2019, 12:42 AM #30
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And he lost to a guy who wasn't in the top ten til he beat Joshua. Thats a bad look.
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