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Old 06-17-2019, 07:41 AM #41
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basing all fights on what you said then floyd mayweather would have multiples losses as an example. I agree that some rounds he didnt throw enough punches but he was still outlanding wilder and his ring generalship was enough alone to win half of them rounds as wilder couldnt hit him at all. I think you are letting your biased dictate how a fight should be scored but anyway, as i said if it was floyd who fought a similar fight people would be gushing over his performance (speaking of floyd he along with a lot of other african america fighters scored it easily to fury) ..and that tells u something.
Freddie Roach agreed with me. He said that Fury could have and should have done more to win the fight by going for the knockout and not leaving it into the hands of the judges; Which is why he is no longer in Fury's camp.

He disagreed with Ben Davidson approach of playing it conservatively and safe by not taking any risks or chances against Wilder. The champion should never have to hunt down an opponent for his title inside of the ring.
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Old 06-17-2019, 07:45 AM #42
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Deontay, you've made a career from knocking out punching bags.
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Wilder would definitely know what a punching bag is, he fought like 39 of those bags.
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Very rich coming from Wilder, he's only fought two guys who aren't punchbags.

Some of the punchbags Wilder fought were outboxing him till he managed to get rid of them!
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Old 06-17-2019, 07:58 AM #43
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Freddie Roach agreed with me. He said that Fury could have and should have done more to win the fight by going for the knockout and not leaving it into the hands of the judges; Which is why he is no longer in Fury's camp.

He disagreed with Ben Davidson approach of playing it conservatively and safe by not taking any risks or chances against Wilder. The champion should never have to hunt down an opponent for his title inside of the ring.
but you do realise freddie still thought he won the fight, regardless if he didnt agree with his tentative approach. Can u not at least admit that giving wilder a draw has highly favourable. Im not one that was screaming robbery but as i said even afro american fighters were coming out in their drones saying fury won (which clearly hurt wilders ego) as its an unwritten rule among black fighters to root for one another. As i said there is unfinished business and there was no definitive ending to the fight. Its the most powerful puncher in the division against the all round master boxer of the division..we have waited a long time in heavyweight boxing for this and its not the joshua/wilder rivaly people were expecting
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Old 06-17-2019, 07:58 AM #44
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Let me tell you Wilder knows his punching bags 95% of the wins came from even worse fighters. He's Jealous and it is hilarious.
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Old 06-17-2019, 08:21 AM #45
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Fury looked good, but he’s getting an awful lot of goodwill from boxing fans. Imagine the howls if Joshua (pre Ruiz) or Wilder had fought the likes of Pienata, Sefari and Schwarz in their last 3 fights.

Add that to the drugs ban, and Tyson seems to get a lot less flack than other heavyweights.

He’s obviously skilled, and no one will have an easy night with Fury, he’s too big, awkward and clever. But KOing Schwarz proves nothing, other than Fury is incredibly good at self promotion and pulling the wool over peoples eyes.

Hope his next fight is against a recognised top 10 fighter such as the winner of Whyte v Rivas or Joe Parker.
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Old 06-17-2019, 08:25 AM #46
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Fury looked good, but he’s getting an awful lot of goodwill from boxing fans. Imagine the howls if Joshua (pre Ruiz) or Wilder had fought the likes of Pienata, Sefari and Schwarz in their last 3 fights.

Add that to the drugs ban, and Tyson seems to get a lot less flack than other heavyweights.

He’s obviously skilled, and no one will have an easy night with Fury, he’s too big, awkward and clever. But KOing Schwarz proves nothing, other than Fury is incredibly good at self promotion and pulling the wool over peoples eyes.

Hope his next fight is against a recognised top 10 fighter such as the winner of Whyte v Rivas or Joe Parker.
True, those two (Wilder and Joshua) would have been destroyed if they fought someone of Tom calibre, but Fury deserves and needs it. His actually comeback features two fights after 2 and half years out. Those two (Joshua and Wilder) would have had about 4/5 fights before fighting anyone of note especially Wilder.
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Old 06-17-2019, 08:45 AM #47
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True, those two (Wilder and Joshua) would have been destroyed if they fought someone of Tom calibre, but Fury deserves and needs it. His actually comeback features two fights after 2 and half years out. Those two (Joshua and Wilder) would have had about 4/5 fights before fighting anyone of note especially Wilder.
That’s true - like I said, no problem if the next fight is Whyte or someone else in the top 10 / 15. I’m just a bit sick of Tyson’s “I’ll beat him 7 times a week and twice on a Sunday” rhetoric in relation to other contenders, then he fights the Schwarz’s of the world.

That’s the self promotion element of it I guess.
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Old 06-17-2019, 08:52 AM #48
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What was Dominic Breazeale?
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Old 06-17-2019, 08:54 AM #49
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Fury looked good, but he’s getting an awful lot of goodwill from boxing fans. Imagine the howls if Joshua (pre Ruiz) or Wilder had fought the likes of Pienata, Sefari and Schwarz in their last 3 fights.

Add that to the drugs ban, and Tyson seems to get a lot less flack than other heavyweights.

He’s obviously skilled, and no one will have an easy night with Fury, he’s too big, awkward and clever. But KOing Schwarz proves nothing, other than Fury is incredibly good at self promotion and pulling the wool over peoples eyes.

Hope his next fight is against a recognised top 10 fighter such as the winner of Whyte v Rivas or Joe Parker.
If Wilder or AJ had been out of the ring for years, and had to lose 10 stone and beat a drug and alcohol addiction, most reasonable boxing fans would give them a bit of a break.

Never forget that Fury went to a champions backyard who happened to be the hardest puncher in boxing history, despite not being totally fit/prepared.

Would AJ or Fury ever do that? I doubt it.
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Old 06-17-2019, 08:57 AM #50
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Freddie Roach agreed with me. He said that Fury could have and should have done more to win the fight by going for the knockout and not leaving it into the hands of the judges; Which is why he is no longer in Fury's camp.

He disagreed with Ben Davidson approach of playing it conservatively and safe by not taking any risks or chances against Wilder. The champion should never have to hunt down an opponent for his title inside of the ring.
That was his best. He just doesn't have hands to hurt wilder. Never will.all that goofball feinting and taunting only gets you so far.
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