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Old 06-10-2019, 01:23 AM #1
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By Tris Dixon - Whether you want to give Andy Ruiz Jr his just dues or not, there were some big issues in play during the fallout of his dramatic New York upset win over Anthony Joshua. It's rightly been pointed out that while Joshua has not served up any excuses, those still in shock at the outcome have been trying to find out how and why the Mexican-American outsider shocked the world...
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Old 06-10-2019, 01:33 AM #2
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is this a joke? why cant we give ruiz his props? jshua was good till the 3rd when he dropped ruiz but suddenly because he loses and finally fights an opponent who doesnt suit him stylistically we need to come up with excuses?? lets give mr ruiz his due, he fought a great fight and deserves his win. lets stop with the nonsense.
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Old 06-10-2019, 01:36 AM #3
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we should all move on from this bull****
he LOST..simple as that
he LOST to a very good fighter who had nothing to lose
AJ always would've get hurt in the beginning rounds...this was no exception
now lets focus on the rematch
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Old 06-10-2019, 01:41 AM #4
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It's the friday weigh-ins without serious strict pre-fight rehydration limits that are causing all these concussions. The Boxing Establishment could change it, but that would make it harder for the Boxing Establishment to manipulate who wins every fight. The friday weigh-ins always help the A-side with the better sports scientists, PEDs, masking agents, and so on, in their corners win the fights, as well as helping the A-side outside of the ring better cherry pick easy opponents in different divisions. It helps people like Mikey and Broner become 4 division champions without ever actually facing a real champion in any division (meaning, the #1 guy in a division).

The Boxing Establishment could fix this easily, but it seems like they care more about protecting A-side cash cow's fake records than they care about the health of the fighters. Otherwise, the fix is very easy. Keep the friday weigh in, but add a saturday fight NIGHT weigh in, 1 hour before ring walk, where the fighters cannot weigh more than 6 or 7 pounds above the friday official weight.

That will immediately force everyone to compete in their real division, their healthy division, and prevent many of these brain injuries from occurring. But I already explained why it seems like the sport doesn't want to do it. The solution is so simple, but no one ever talks about it or pushes for it. The belt organizations keep making these same DAY weigh ins, instead of same NIGHT weigh ins, already allowing a 10 pound cushion early in the morning the day of the fight, which allows another 10 pounds to be added by fight time.

So the organizations keep PRETENDING to care about the weight cutting and rehydration issues, but everything they've done so far is completely for show. They're basically forcing fighters to only rehydrate 20 pounds between the friday weigh in and the fight, which is the max 99.9% of fighters would ever want to rehydrate anyway. So they act like they put in a rule for fighter safety, but in reality they structured it to make sure the fighters can still do the exact same thing they've been doing. Isn't that the definition of a "for show" rule?

We'll know the Boxing Establishment cares about fighter safety more than money or nationalism or whatever it is that truly motivates them the moment they institute fight NIGHT weigh ins, and cap it at 5, 6, or 7 pounds, not 10. 7 pounds should be the max because that's a weight class. If you're not competing within one division of your real weight class, let alone your actual real weight class, then it's not safe. 7 pounds allows a cushion of one division. That's already a lot. 7 pounds, right before the fight, so that they can't add more afterwards. That's the only way. When they do that, we'll know they're serious. Until then, you can expect more fighters to get brain injuries because they have to drain themselves just to keep up with the competition, all of whom have to do this to compete within the current UNHEALTHY AND DANGEROUS rules.
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Old 06-10-2019, 02:10 AM #5
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It's the friday weigh-ins without serious strict pre-fight rehydration limits that are causing all these concussions. The Boxing Establishment could change it, but that would make it harder for the Boxing Establishment to manipulate who wins every fight. The friday weigh-ins always help the A-side with the better sports scientists, PEDs, masking agents, and so on, in their corners win the fights, as well as helping the A-side outside of the ring better cherry pick easy opponents in different divisions. It helps people like Mikey and Broner become 4 division champions without ever actually facing a real champion in any division (meaning, the #1 guy in a division).

The Boxing Establishment could fix this easily, but it seems like they care more about protecting A-side cash cow's fake records than they care about the health of the fighters. Otherwise, the fix is very easy. Keep the friday weigh in, but add a saturday fight NIGHT weigh in, 1 hour before ring walk, where the fighters cannot weigh more than 6 or 7 pounds above the friday official weight.

That will immediately force everyone to compete in their real division, their healthy division, and prevent many of these brain injuries from occurring. But I already explained why it seems like the sport doesn't want to do it. The solution is so simple, but no one ever talks about it or pushes for it. The belt organizations keep making these same DAY weigh ins, instead of same NIGHT weigh ins, already allowing a 10 pound cushion early in the morning the day of the fight, which allows another 10 pounds to be added by fight time.

So the organizations keep PRETENDING to care about the weight cutting and rehydration issues, but everything they've done so far is completely for show. They're basically forcing fighters to only rehydrate 20 pounds between the friday weigh in and the fight, which is the max 99.9% of fighters would ever want to rehydrate anyway. So they act like they put in a rule for fighter safety, but in reality they structured it to make sure the fighters can still do the exact same thing they've been doing. Isn't that the definition of a "for show" rule?

We'll know the Boxing Establishment cares about fighter safety more than money or nationalism or whatever it is that truly motivates them the moment they institute fight NIGHT weigh ins, and cap it at 5, 6, or 7 pounds, not 10. 7 pounds should be the max because that's a weight class. If you're not competing within one division of your real weight class, let alone your actual real weight class, then it's not safe. 7 pounds allows a cushion of one division. That's already a lot. 7 pounds, right before the fight, so that they can't add more afterwards. That's the only way. When they do that, we'll know they're serious. Until then, you can expect more fighters to get brain injuries because they have to drain themselves just to keep up with the competition, all of whom have to do this to compete within the current UNHEALTHY AND DANGEROUS rules.
How does this affect the heavyweight division??
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Old 06-10-2019, 02:13 AM #6
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I feel like this is a valid discussion to have but it's only being tied into Joshua-Ruiz here through unproven hearsay. Joshua and everyone around him aren't trying to use this or anything else as an excuse so talking about this issue in relation to that particular fight is strange.
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If Ruiz wins the rematch, the excuses will be even more colorful...
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How does this affect the heavyweight division??
Lol, not wrong, thought I was taking crazy pills after reading this.
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Old 06-10-2019, 03:34 AM #9
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Lol, not wrong, thought I was taking crazy pills after reading this.

Boxing logic does make some fair points but I do not believe that the majority of head injuries in boxing are due to rehydration issues. There are many factors including age and just taking too many head shots. I was at the fight the other night rooting for Zab Judah. I have met him and he's a good dude. With that being said he is 41 years old with his best days far behind him. He is currently in an upstate N.Y hospital with an apparent brain bleed. Thoughts and best wishes for a complete recovery. Isn't Adonis Stevenson over 40 as well? With age comes loss of reflexes. The commissions should be stricter with their licensing procedures. Will it be a cure all? Probably not but couldn't hurt.
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Let’s stop searching for the reason ‘why’. AJ just couldn’t handle a shorter explosive peek-a-boo style with a piece of power. AJ just wasn’t ready for this American Greatness stage.
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