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Old 05-13-2019, 05:19 AM #31
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Both guys took punishment as Kelly Pavlik pointed out. Facial swelling isn't in the scoring criteria by the way. Canelo lost that fight by getting outboxed.
When you look like that at the end of a fight and your own trainer kept insinuating that his fighter lost, you canít claim he outboxed canelo
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Old 05-13-2019, 06:01 AM #32
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... in fact, there's little left for Canelo at 160, at this point...

... he may only fight Andrade or GGG (for that "trilogy")... he can't fight Jermall, for obvious reasons... so...
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Old 05-13-2019, 09:13 AM #33
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You're right. Fights with Lara, Trout, Cotto, GGG (2X) and Jacobs have all gone to a decision (most were close and a few were controversial). The top guys just don't go down as easy.
Good point man, the thing those fighters exhibit is a good focus in fights and when fighting canelo. He normally knocks out guys who lapse in concentration for a sec. Khan kirkland smith etc all of them lost focus and it cost them dearly against canelo.

I am surprised he couldn't put a dent in a drained chavez jr though that's the only fight apart from khan where i was certain he would steamroll an opponent beforehand considering jrs condition as well.
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Old 05-13-2019, 11:19 AM #34
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Good point man, the thing those fighters exhibit is a good focus in fights and when fighting canelo. He normally knocks out guys who lapse in concentration for a sec. Khan kirkland smith etc all of them lost focus and it cost them dearly against canelo.

I am surprised he couldn't put a dent in a drained chavez jr though that's the only fight apart from khan where i was certain he would steamroll an opponent beforehand considering jrs condition as well.
Yeah, Jr. was "Dead Man Walking" at 164, but he always had a decent chin.
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Old 05-13-2019, 11:54 AM #35
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It all depends on the opponent itís hard to knockout higher level fighters especially elite ones . Unless they just **** tactics start banging it out like ward/hat to or Holyfield/Bowie !!
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Old 05-13-2019, 12:52 PM #36
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at any weight canelo is a close decision fighter against top opponents
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Old 05-13-2019, 01:05 PM #37
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Lopez would probably get robbed of a close decision due to workrate but Terry would get KO'd
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Old 05-13-2019, 01:11 PM #38
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When you grew up watching the likes of Leonard and Duran, you have higher expectations.

I didnt say Canelo is not a good fighter. He is extremely good according to modern standards.
It's unfortunate these modern day standards in boxing prevents good fighters from fighting each other because Floyd set the trend of giving your "0" more value than it should have. If you lose nowdays you can risk your financial gain in this game. Gone are the days of round robins
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Old 05-13-2019, 01:53 PM #39
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Yeah Able has been wrong about a lot of things as of lately. He lost two of his fighters a few weeks apart.
Golovkin clearly walked Canelo down in the first fight. Canelo didn't do anything remotely like that in the second fight. Like I said he or his corner realized his mistakes and I have to say made a good effort in correcting them in a losing effort. Didn't get the knock out he promised. Never hurt Golovkin at any point in the fight. Couldn't move Golovkin out of the center of the ring. Couldn't slip his jab. Got outlanded in damned near every round. It was a better fight but he still lost. Golovkins face got swollen but older fighters tend to swell up more than younger guys. Golovkin outboxed him in that fight using his jab movement and power punches.
Not for nothing but it sounds like you were just watching GGG instead of the fight.
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Old 05-13-2019, 02:42 PM #40
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The fight was boring because Jacobs didn't want to risk getting knocked out and countered. Canelo wanted to bang but Jacobs who paid 1M to show up 2 weight classes bigger didnt.he let Brooklyn and culture down kol

This is a pattern where we see elite fighters who are extremely offensive minded against everyone else then fight Canelo switch up their game plan fight scared and to not get knocked out. The fighters that take risks and bang with Canelo get hurt bad or put to sleep.

Jacobs, GGG, Cotto etc etc look at how their offense production and efficiently fell off a cliff against Canelo. When you make top guys look like this you special.


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Canelo
Total shots
188 of 466 (40%)

Jabs
68 of 202 (34%)

Power shots
120 of 264 (46%)

Jacobs
Total shots
131 of 649 (20%)

Jabs
42 of 290 (15%)

Power shots2
89 of 359 (25%)
mention one elite fighter hurt by ginger.
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