Mayweather doesn't get the credit he deserves for the thorough schooling of JMM

[paulf]

Mayweather doesn't get credit because the match was a definitely tainted by the weight class bait-and-switch he pulled.

Would not have changed the result, but you don't want the cards sneakily stacked against someone like that. If Floyd had asked for 147 from the start, Marquez would have had six months to bulk up (due to the cancellation) or maybe Nacho says "Fuck that" and kills the fight dead. We'll never know.

Anyway, it was looked at at the time as Mayweather winning because of his size, but I think everyone took another look after Marquez started having success at 147 and realized Floyd was just that good, because Marquez looked ****ing great in that fight but still mostly hit air.

[hugh grant]

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Pacquaio went through 4 very tough wars with Marquez. It it only took Mayweather 1 fight.

Pac has 3 Life and death wins over jmm which is better for legacy than 1 convincing win. Certainly better than cheated scales convincing win.
But it's all relative. Compared to pac Floyd went life and death with hatton, cotto and dlh and nearly got koed by ssm. Certainly looked life and death situation clinging for dear life

[Mexican_Puppet]

Trinidad was a good win for BHop regardless of what people say now. Let's not ignore facts and how BHop was a decent sized underdog heading into that fight. Trinidad had just destroyed another top 5 MW in Joppy the fight prior.

Fair point on Marquez working on his body afterwards. But doesn't mean it wasn't a tremendous performance by Floyd. Tremendous performance =/= tremendous win.

Performances depends of the Quality and shape of your rival.

Canelo looked like the best ever against Fielding

But it was not a good Performance.

[KTFOKING]

Performances depends of the Quality and shape of your rival.

Canelo looked like the best ever against Fielding

But it was not a good Performance.

It WAS a good performance though. It just wasn't a good win. Those are two different things. Performance wise, Canelo was ON POINT and did as well of a job as he could. But he just won't get much credit for the win since the opponent was completely over matched.

[QueensburyRules]

Pac has 3 Life and death wins over jmm which is better for legacy than 1 convincing win. Certainly better than cheated scales convincing win.
But it's all relative. Compared to pac Floyd went life and death with hatton, cotto and dlh and nearly got koed by ssm. Certainly looked life and death situation clinging for dear life

- -Agree with the general summation, but 5 KDs by PAC in the first two bouts that could've easy prompted the ref to stop JMM is closer to dominance no matter Vegas scorecards that are alway dodgy.

The 3rd was the introduction of BALCO Juan that was tepid, the 4th being the life and death struggle of BALCO Juan very survival before the lucky punch

TUE never faced BALCO Juan and ducked Manny for 6yrs. Nor did he face near the number and level of P4p fighters Manny faced.

It's part of history now and TUE tarnished badly. C'est la vie...

[Mexican_Puppet]

- -Agree with the general summation, but 5 KDs by PAC in the first two bouts that could've easy prompted the ref to stop JMM is closer to dominance no matter Vegas scorecards that are alway dodgy.

The 3rd was the introduction of BALCO Juan that was tepid, the 4th being the life and death struggle of BALCO Juan very survival before the lucky punch

TUE never faced BALCO Juan and ducked Manny for 6yrs. Nor did he face near the number and level of P4p fighters Manny faced.

It's part of history now and TUE tarnished badly. C'est la vie...

Lucky punch jajajaja fu.ckinh stup.id guy.

The first knockdown was a lucky punch too?

I.di.ot!

[cfang]

Im no Floyd fan. Cant stand the guy but his performance against jmm was stunning as was canelo too. He made fighting top of the line fighters look easy. can't fault him for these.

[!! Shawn]

Tremendous performance. Marquez proved he was a quality WW a few years later by knocking out Pacquiao and competing with Bradley in a tight fight.

Floyd blowing off the catchweight was unnecessary though. Still at the WW limit, but he should have made 144. Oh well, definitely was a great performance even against a smaller fighter when you consider he was off for almost two years.

Pacquiao was never a legitimate welterweight. He managed to compete in the division because he is a once in a generation fighter, but JMM and Paquiao are Lightweights at a best.

Bradley was a 140lber, and a short one.

Height and reach really factor into these kinds of fights, and it was really really clear in the Mayweather vs JMM fight that Mayweathers MASSSIVE reach advantage just was just too much for Marquez.

Mayweather also being a great fighter, it made it less competitive than it would have been if they were similar in size. You could see Marquez trying to time him all night, but not having the reach to be in range to do it.

Credit to mayweather, he put on a beautiful performance, but you have to look at it for what it was.

A fight where he moved Marquez up 2 divisions, and didn't even try to make the contracted weight.

[hugh grant]

Im no Floyd fan. Cant stand the guy but his performance against jmm was stunning as was canelo too. He made fighting top of the line fighters look easy. can't fault him for these.

Are sure your not a Floyd f an?
Didn't pac make hatton, dlh and cotto look easier than Floyd did?
Wasn't Pac s performance stunning?

[The Big Dunn]

Are sure your not a Floyd f an?
Didn't pac make hatton, dlh and cotto look easier than Floyd did?
Wasn't Pac s performance stunning?

No it wasn't stunning given the context. Hatton was undefeated when Floyd beat him. Tht KO from Floyd eneded Hatton as a top fighter.

ODH was at a full 154 and not 147 as he was when Manny fought him. His losing to Floyd ended his run as a top tier fighter.

Cotto was a full 154 when Floyd beat him, not 145 when Manny did. Manny's win was impressive, but we will never know how Cotto may have done without being hampered by the CW. A full Cotto without a CW gave Floyd a great fight.

If you were being fair you'd point all this out.

It is pathetic that you are begging for someone to post something nice about Manny because they posted something good about Floyd.