Originally posted by ROSS CALIFORNIA
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How skilled was/is Ronda Rousey really?
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Originally posted by kaps View PostShe beat everyone else in the weight class, easily. I think she just got bested by a superior striker with a perfect game plan. The scary thing is that she knew that would be Holm's game plan and couldn't prevent it. I think she should ditch Edmund and get with a real camp. I don't know if Holm can run through the rest of the weight class though. I think she'll have problems with Meisha and Cat. I hope Ronda takes some time off, I like it when weight classes get shook up.
I think Ronda will bounce back but I'm unsure if she can beat Holm though. It's one of those things where IQ is what makes the difference and that isn't just trained. You kinda have it or don't. Well, unless you have a coach like Greg Jackson, then he just does the thinking for you and you just execute.
Originally posted by ROSS CALIFORNIA View PostWhere did you say that? Link please
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Originally posted by F l i c k e r View PostThe thing is, Holm is still new to the MMA game. She is on a level of her own in the standup department but working with Greg Jackson camp, a camp known for it's safe fighters; mostly wrestlers. When Holm's ground game catches up to her stand up, it's gonna be ridiculous.
I think Ronda will bounce back but I'm unsure if she can beat Holm though. It's one of those things where IQ is what makes the difference and that isn't just trained. You kinda have it or don't. Well, unless you have a coach like Greg Jackson, then he just does the thinking for you and you just execute.
It's in the Ronda-Coreia topic. Can't be bothered to search through it but I said it literally right after Coreia got her top knocked off.
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Originally posted by F l i c k e r View PostHow good or skilled is Ronda really? Was/is she just the precursor to Women's MMA, much like the Royce, Renzo etc to Male MMA? Or do y'all think she just got bested like any other mma fight? Like GSP to Hughes and Serra?
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Originally posted by kaps View PostRelatively speaking, Ronda has roughly the same amount of MMA experience as Holm.
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Originally posted by Eff Pandas View PostPeople keep saying this (& they both did turn pro in MMA in the same month in 2011), but idk that I buy it really. I think people are ignoring or just don't know that Holly has kickboxing experience that predates her boxing career. Holly been kicking people in the head since pre-Ronda having boobs probably (ie 14-15yrs ago).
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Originally posted by kaps View PostAnd Ronda has been throwing and armbarring *****es since before Holm had bush, but as far as MMA itself goes, they're pretty even in experience.
And I still say kickboxing is more beneficial to know in the Octagon than Judo is thus I see Holm as more experienced in MMA & certainly more experienced in a realer more physical element of combat sports when you add in her vast boxing experience + kickboxing vs Ronda's judo hip tossing boring ass sport experience.
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Originally posted by F l i c k e r View PostThe thing is, Holm is still new to the MMA game. She is on a level of her own in the standup department but working with Greg Jackson camp, a camp known for it's safe fighters; mostly wrestlers. When Holm's ground game catches up to her stand up, it's gonna be ridiculous.
I don't think Holly will ever fully develop her ground game. Having a strong take-down defense with superior striking is solid (until you run into a superior striker like Liddell did with Jackson). It's funny because Holly & McGregor both started catching hype at the same time. I remember Pat Miletich was calling a Holm fight saying that unlike McGregor, Holly would live up to her hype, lol. He was half right.
I think Ronda is proven legit by nearly clearing out her division in dominate fashion. Her dominance probably stunted her development, but before Holly, nobody could shut down her judo take downs. This should force her to evolve other take downs, making it harder to to deal with her ground game. Her striking is crude, but her KO power is legit. Holms admitted to getting hurt a couple times (probably when her mouth piece was knocked out). She can definitely learn not to fight so panicked next time.
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Originally posted by kaps View PostAnd Ronda has been throwing and armbarring *****es since before Holm had bush, but as far as MMA itself goes, they're pretty even in experience.Originally posted by Eff Pandas View PostHolly is religious I bet she has & has had mad bush for a long ass time (or thats what I wanna believe), certainly by age 17 when Ronda started competing in Judo as an 11yr old.
And I still say kickboxing is more beneficial to know in the Octagon than Judo is thus I see Holm as more experienced in MMA & certainly more experienced in a realer more physical element of combat sports when you add in her vast boxing experience + kickboxing vs Ronda's judo hip tossing boring ass sport experience.
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