Dana White had a meeting yesterday about Floyd vs Khabib

[Eff Pandas]

Bare knuckle, right? Are MMA fighters anxious to wrestle on concrete?

LOL are you just trying to argue with me about something you know is true yourself?

I mean if you wanna discuss the full perimeters of my theory we can doe.

I guess if i was designing this as a real thing for science I'd probably have them fighting without rules in some place without weapons or hard structures to prevent a death as best as I could. So I doubt I'd have guys fighting on concrete. I mean the goal isn't to prove that no rules fighting can be dangerous. It would be to prove MMA is a superior fighting style to boxing. So probably it'd be done on mats or grass. But I grew up in a wrestling strong area & I've seen my share of wrestlers in fights & in a true fight I've seen guys who seemed much more comfortable skinning their knees taking down a guy who had no idea how to defend a takedown or knew the fight was basically over once the wrestler got him down. So for most fights a skinned knee is worth the fight being over.

So basically TLDR I don't think a skinned knee or taking out wrestling completely is gonna change the overall result that boxers are catching more L's to mixed martial artists than vice versa.

One thing I would concede is I think at the HW level (200+ for boxing, 265 & under for MMA) boxers would probably come out ahead or it'd be much closer cuz HW mixed martial artists seem to relay on boxing much more than the average smaller mixed martial artist & they don't seem to have as much game on the ground or with kicking or BJJ or w/e. There are some specialists at HW, but they are fewer & further between. Or just like in HW boxing where power can bridge the gap in skill more (hence the success of Wilder & Joshua who I don't think many would think are truly the most talented pure boxers at HW) I think power could decide more HW MMAs vs HW boxers then skill.

[pasawayako]

I think they will make a scripted fight and it will be worst than wwe.

[Mr.365]

is the fight going to be restricted to only striking & certain oz gloves ?

[Pigeons]

LOL are you just trying to argue with me about something you know is true yourself?

I mean if you wanna discuss the full perimeters of my theory we can doe.

I guess if i was designing this as a real thing for science I'd probably have them fighting without rules in some place without weapons or hard structures to prevent a death as best as I could. So I doubt I'd have guys fighting on concrete. I mean the goal isn't to prove that no rules fighting can be dangerous. It would be to prove MMA is a superior fighting style to boxing. So probably it'd be done on mats or grass. But I grew up in a wrestling strong area & I've seen my share of wrestlers in fights & in a true fight I've seen guys who seemed much more comfortable skinning their knees taking down a guy who had no idea how to defend a takedown or knew the fight was basically over once the wrestler got him down. So for most fights a skinned knee is worth the fight being over.

So basically TLDR I don't think a skinned knee or taking out wrestling completely is gonna change the overall result that boxers are catching more L's to mixed martial artists than vice versa.

One thing I would concede is I think at the HW level (200+ for boxing, 265 & under for MMA) boxers would probably come out ahead or it'd be much closer cuz HW mixed martial artists seem to relay on boxing much more than the average smaller mixed martial artist & they don't seem to have as much game on the ground or with kicking or BJJ or w/e. There are some specialists at HW, but they are fewer & further between. Or just like in HW boxing where power can bridge the gap in skill more (hence the success of Wilder & Joshua who I don't think many would think are truly the most talented pure boxers at HW) I think power could decide more HW MMAs vs HW boxers then skill.

You're saying MMA fighters are better because they fight with no rules. But when I mention a street fight which happens on concrete or another hard surface nine times out of ten, you automatically start creating rules which requires mats or grass which will make wretlers more comfortable wrestling, which is the only chance they have against boxers.


I think what you're trying to say is wrestling is superior to boxing in combat. I agree. Wrestling is the best base to have for combat. I'm not sure I've ever seen people wrestle on the street though.

[Eff Pandas]

You're saying MMA fighters are better because they fight with no rules.

I didn't say that. You said I said that.

I said:

"My premise is a no rules fight between 100 boxers & 100 mixed martial artists = the boxers are catching more L's."

But when I mention a street fight which happens on concrete or another hard surface nine times out of ten, you automatically start creating rules which requires mats or grass which will make wretlers more comfortable wrestling, which is the only chance they have against boxers.

I don't think you are reading what I'm saying. I said if this was a real scientific-like study to see who was better you couldn't even do it on concrete cuz a mfer might die.

BUT if it was on concrete I've seen plenty a wrestler take a mfer down & skin a knee to end a fight cuz once a wrestler gets a non-wrestler down a fight is over 90% of the time or at worst the fate of the downed opponent is sealed.

And I also said taking wrestling out of the equation STILL doesn't shorten the gap THAT much cuz mixed martial artists can still kick & throw elbows at a boxer or grapple standing up a boxer who's gonna be far less skilled in that on average then a guy who practices those skills daily.

A boxer vs a mixed martial artist is like trying to spell words with all 26 letters in the alphabet vs trying to come up with words you can spell with access to only 13 letters of the alphabet. I'm sure some cats could come up with a lot of words with their 13 letters, but overall someone have access to more letters is gonna lead to more words spelt. And in this premise a mixed martial artists having more offensive & defensive moves that are in their arsenal is just gonna make a boxer have to earn every W the hard way.

I think what you're trying to say is wrestling is superior to boxing in combat. I agree. Wrestling is the best base to have for combat. I'm not sure I've ever seen people wrestle on the street though.

I'm not even talking about wrestling specifically. I'm saying MMA as a whole. And I'm not even sure I'd say boxing isn't superior to wrestling in a fight or combat. I might even side with the boxer actually.

What I think is a 100 mixed martial artists is gonna beat 100 boxers or 100 wrestlers or a 100 guys in w/e other specific martial art more than they lose. Having more styles you can adapt to or strengths to take advantage of anothers weakness is what makes mixed martial art a superior fighting style to have.

[Eff Pandas]

is the fight going to be restricted to only striking & certain oz gloves ?

I haven't heard any details about what the fight might look like.

I only heard rumors of what the McConor vs Floyd fight in the cage mighta looked like.

I think they are in the super early stages of talking about this potential fight so they are probably a ways off on specifics & I'd bet details wouldn't even come out as confirmable til the fight got announced...if it were to be made.

[Michael1437]

That'd be like letting a poodle fight a pitbull. For any boxer in the cage. Look at what happened to James Toney (although I've heard he didn't take it seriously). It takes years to learn all the skills & tactics one needs for MMA.

At HW it'd probably be more competitive cuz lotsa MMA HW's are almost boxers with no shoes & more grappling while standing on the way they fight.

Boxers aren't trained to compete in MMA. It'll just be a MMA guy murdering a boxer. Meanwhile plenty of MMA guys got boxing matches on their record & are undefeated to this day.

I mean a girl MMA fighter beat a 2x title challenger in her pro debut 11 mos after she last had a title shot.
http://boxrec.com/en/boxer/534197

And Heather Hardy went into MMA as a twenty something & 0 boxer & she's caught an L already.

You kinda gotta handicap it to make it interesting or its just about watching Floyd get his ass beat. Although granted if you sold the event as just Floyd getting his ass beat it might do more than Floyd vs Manny in buys in fairness. I feel like Floyd wouldn't be down for that doe.

Then why call it a UFC fight, it's basically boxing in the octagon.

[Eff Pandas]

Then why call it a UFC fight, it's basically boxing in the octagon.

It sounds like cuz Dana is trying to say if they fight it happens its gotta happen in the UFC.

The reality is a lot of sh^t has counted as MMA fights that a lot of people wouldn't consider straight up UFC rule MMA. Sh^t man there are different rules among the many leagues as is. Basically its not like there is a clear 100% standard MMA rule system across MMA like there is in boxing so following that logic its arguable that the rules aren't disputable & up to be agreed to between any combatants. And obviously Floyd having the pull he does gives him the ability to call for his own rule set should he agree to this fight.

[Biolink]

Habib called out Mayweather first so he has to come to boxing if this does happen. Also in what world do the losers get to call any shots? Mcgregor lost, you got no position to bargain.