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Old 07-22-2019, 11:51 PM #31
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No, you said Haymon had Charlo move up so he could protect two undefeated fighters. That's not what happened at all. Hurd was irrelevant when Charlo was at 154 and wasn't even meant to be next up. Harrison and Lubin got more hype coming up than Hurd did. You added your own twist to what really happened.
nice try but Harrison had already been ktfo when that happened.
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Old 07-22-2019, 11:57 PM #32
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nice try but Harrison had already been ktfo when that happened.
Buddy, Harrison and Lubin were getting more hype than Hurd. You made a terrible comparison that made no sense at all. Hurd was NOT a factor when Charlo moved up.

Actually JRock even got a lot more hype than Hurd coming up. You said Haymon wanted to protect two undefeated fighters so he had Charlo move up L-O-L.

Yeah, so that was a stupid comment. If you want to say Valdez is just moving up because he can't make weight anymore, that is one thing. But you got baited in by MCC, and tried to come back with something against PBC....And it made no sense at all.

So yeah, let's move on.....
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He moved to 126 as soon as Lomachenko moved to 130.
^^^I was just informed he didn't move up when Loma moved up. He was in the same weight class but fought for the vacant title instead of fighting Loma for the title. That's even worse


Now Stevenson wants the title shot against Valdez & he's talking about moving up to 130. Valdez level is Scott Quigg. Feed him to Stevenson and let the young boy shine.
It's the same with Zurdo Ramirez.

They have been a promotional disaster for Top Rank. They haven't generated the type of buzz that they they were expected to generate.

Yet Arum is so stubborn that he's still holding on hope that they become something.

He won't sacrifice Valdez to Stevenson, despite it being a big boost for Stevenson's career. He'll have Valdez move up to 130 and then have Stevenson fight for his vacant belt.
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Old 07-23-2019, 12:15 AM #34
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nice try but Harrison had already been ktfo when that happened.
These Haymon hoes are f**king insane. He said Williams was irrelevant lol. Uh, just like Stevenson is irrelevant to Valdez.
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Old 07-23-2019, 12:51 AM #35
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Buddy, Harrison and Lubin were getting more hype than Hurd. You made a terrible comparison that made no sense at all. Hurd was NOT a factor when Charlo moved up.

Actually JRock even got a lot more hype than Hurd coming up. You said Haymon wanted to protect two undefeated fighters so he had Charlo move up L-O-L.

Yeah, so that was a stupid comment. If you want to say Valdez is just moving up because he can't make weight anymore, that is one thing. But you got baited in by MCC, and tried to come back with something against PBC....And it made no sense at all.

So yeah, let's move on.....
Haymon and arum do it all the time. Keep own belt warm for the next guy. LSC Mares etc all did it.

I would like to see Stevenson vs Valdez but Stevenson doesnít need him to become a star. They got enough guys.
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Old 07-23-2019, 01:03 AM #36
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Haymon and arum do it all the time. Keep own belt warm for the next guy. LSC Mares etc all did it.

I would like to see Stevenson vs Valdez but Stevenson doesnít need him to become a star. They got enough guys.
We're talking Hurd and Charlo here. That was a dumb comparison period. Haymon didn't have Charlo to move up so he could get Hurd a title. The move was happening regardless. And Hurd was not no blue chip prospect like Stevenson that was seen as a future star. He was anything but that.

Again, I never said Valdez is being moved away from Stevenson and is moving up to avoid him...No, he very well may not be able to make the weight anymore, and that's fine. But.........
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We're talking Hurd and Charlo here. That was a dumb comparison period. Haymon didn't have Charlo to move up so he could get Hurd a title. The move was happening regardless. And Hurd was not no blue chip prospect like Stevenson that was seen as a future star. He was anything but that.

Again, I never said Valdez is being moved away from Stevenson and is moving up to avoid him...No, he very well may not be able to make the weight anymore, and that's fine. But.........
oh really? Haymon didnít move charlo up knowing that 2 of his fighters Hurd and Harrison were there to keep the title in house? Iíve had been brutally koíd prior and the other was a black Margarito ? You donít think he made sure all that was set before hand? Lmao. Just like Arum doesnít have Stevenson set before Valdez moves up? Lolol. Itís the same thing and you know it.
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Old 07-23-2019, 02:12 AM #38
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oh really? Haymon didnít move charlo up knowing that 2 of his fighters Hurd and Harrison were there to keep the title in house? Iíve had been brutally koíd prior and the other was a black Margarito ? You donít think he made sure all that was set before hand? Lmao. Just like Arum doesnít have Stevenson set before Valdez moves up? Lolol. Itís the same thing and you know it.
Um no, he didn't move Charlo upÖ That was in the making for a while. He wanted to move up even before the JRock fight.

You point blank said Haymon moved Charlo up so he could protect both undefeated fighters. That's hilarious and wrong. First off, Hurd was barely the slight favorite going into the Harrison fight so it was far from a guarantee he was going to win. Second off, Hurd had barely gotten on to the scene the year before when he beat Galarza on SHO Box. This wasn't a fighter with any hype coming up. He was an average amateur who was mainly fighting on club shows until he got his chance.

There was nothing about protecting anyone. Charlo was moving up after the JRock fight regardless. He admitted the only reason he didn't do it earlier was to shut JRock up.

You first tired to make a BS comparison, then when I point out Charlo having trouble making weight was the reason he moved upÖ You say well, Valdez is having trouble making weight as well. And that's fine, yet you then go back to your original statement. You are all over the place.

It's either Arum is strategically having Valdez move up to position himself for a title shot at 130 and give Stevenson his shot at 126, or it is simply because he is having trouble making weight. Stick with one line of thinking, don't play both sides.
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