Floyd's Illegal IV; A Prefight Ritual Or A One-Time Thing?

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BS it was always common practice to use IVs making weight loads of fighters and UFC guys would be over dry and need IV fluids, it is for dehydration thats its purpose and the amount Floyd took was less than you would give a Greyhound, dont talk about what you dont know or assume to be true.

When an IV infusion is administered to an athlete, the following criteria should be fulfilled:
1. a clearly defined diagnosis;
2. supportive evidence that no permitted alternative treatment can be used;
3. the treatment has been ordered by a physician and administered by qualified medical
personnel in an appropriate medical setting;
4. adequate medical records of the treatment.
The use of IV infusions in sport is commonly linked with rehydration after exhaustive effort,
and this situation is arguably the major cause of debate. It must be understood that the use
of IV fluid replacement following exercise and/or acute weight reduction to correct mild to
moderate dehydration is not clinically indicated nor substantiated by the medical literature.
There is a well-established body of scientific evidence to confirm that oral rehydration is the
preferred therapeutic choice, potentially even more effective than IV infusion3-15

Fluid IVayweather signed up for it, here is the rule he should have adhered to, but he obviously didnt
If the athlete has an acute medical condition where an IV line was essential for treatment in a hospital admission, surgical procedure, or clinical investigation. Examples would be a severely dehydrated athlete with signs of circulatory compromise and the need for an IV line during a surgical procedure.
Clinical investigations to diagnosis medical conditions, such a medical imaging, may also require IV administration of non-prohibited medicine which is permitted.
In emergency circumstances, IVs may also be given by paramedical staff or physicians on the field of play, but an emergency TUE application is required as soon as reasonably possible after treatment has been received. Examples may include a semi- or unconscious athlete, an athlete who cannot tolerate oral fluids, or treatment of an acute injury.
IV infusions during home visits, urgent care or after-hours clinics, boutique IV and rehydration services, and doctor’s office visits are not hospital admissions and would require an approved TUE in advance.
Notice how it actually says not at your house

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if you're going to continue to act like a child and name call, i'm not going to respond anymore. His name is floyd. Unless you're a child, there's no reason to lie about what his name is.

Pacquiao paid just as much as floyd. So why wasn't usada in pacquiao's pocket and why didn't they create a false positive test for floyd? See how stupid these conspiracy theories can get?

Compared to usada's overall budget, which is largely funded by the us government, what manny and floyd paid was small potatoes. Part of why they paid as much as they did is they wanted each other tested with incredible frequency, which increases the cost. 44 tests between the two of them, 44 times a dco had to be paid to go follow them around and collect a sample. 44 tests that had to be paid for.

The idea that this was some grand bribe is just so ridiculous. And if usada could be so easily bribed, why was a tue even needed? Why risk the panel of doctors denying the tue? It doesn't make any sense. Why not just let floyd do whatever he wants?

Held to any level of scrutiny, the conspiracy theory falls apart. Who would pay a bribe for a tue instead of just paying to take any drug you want? It's ludicrous.

facts, 1 fluid had an iv well above the permitted level, 1st rule broken. 2 fluid had the iv at his home which breaks the 2nd wada rule. 3 fluid needed a prior tue to do what he did, 3rd rule broken usada cannot bypass the rules that are set by wada yet they did, explain how that could happen if they were not on the take, i dont want to hear any flimsy excuses. Fluid himself said he was slightly dehydrated, which i have supplied the link to the video. The doctor 2 hours earlier found no issue, no temperature issues, no dehydration, nothing, a doctor has to sign off on the iv unless its an emergency, in which case he should have been taken to hospital, he wasnt, explain how that happened, ive supplied facts

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When an IV infusion is administered to an athlete, the following criteria should be fulfilled

The panel of doctors and experts, who didn't know which athlete's information they were evaluating, so the criteria was fulfilled.

You, a random idiot on the internet, without any access to the medical information the doctors and experts had, say the doctors and experts are wrong.

Good for you.

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The panel of doctors and experts, who didn't know which athlete's information they were evaluating, so the criteria was fulfilled.

You, a random idiot on the internet, without any access to the medical information the doctors and experts had, say the doctors and experts are wrong.

Good for you.

So you have no answer for why those rules were broken, it's easy, it's corruption, funny how VADA would have done the same job as USADA for a fraction of the cost, funny how its always VADA catching boxers and not USADA, youre a fangirl and nothing more, you lack any common sense and you're an ostrich that sticks his head in the sand, if you can't think for yourself you cannot be objective

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facts, 1 fluid had an iv well above the permitted level, 1st rule broken.

That's a lie. The levels were permitted for therapeutic use and USADA's panel of doctors and experts, who don't know who the athlete is, agreed it was for therapeutic use. No rule broken.

2 fluid had the iv at his home which breaks the 2nd wada rule.

That's a lie. The treatment setting was permitted if medically appropriate and USADA's panel of doctors and experts, who don't know who the athlete is, agreed it was appropriate. No rule broken.

3 fluid needed a prior tue to do what he did, 3rd rule broken

That's a lie. For unexpected ailments, applying for a retroactive exemption is perfectly normal and done all the time. There is absolutely no requirement to apply for an exemption prior. No rule broken.

explain how that could happen if they were not on the take

Explain how we know about any of this if they were on the take. Explain why a TUE would even be needed if they were on the take. Explain how we know about any of this if they were on the take. Your premise is ridiculous.

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So you have no answer for why those rules were broken

No rules were broken. You just don't understand the rules.

funny how VADA would have done the same job as USADA for a fraction of the cost

Floyd and Manny asked USADA for the most extensive testing program of any boxing match in history, with the largest amount of tests and the largest amount of staff. That's why it cost more than the average fight.

One of the main reasons VADA is cheaper than USADA is VADA doesn't staff their own collectors. They outsource to random companies around the country. USADA has to pay full time salaries to full time collectors who fly around the country and do this as their full time job and expertise. VADA just hires random collectors from random companies who do it as part time work like an uber driver. That's a big part of how VADA cuts costs so they can charge less.

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When an IV infusion is administered to an athlete, the following criteria should be fulfilled:
1. a clearly defined diagnosis;
2. supportive evidence that no permitted alternative treatment can be used;
3. the treatment has been ordered by a physician and administered by qualified medical
personnel in an appropriate medical setting;
4. adequate medical records of the treatment.
The use of IV infusions in sport is commonly linked with rehydration after exhaustive effort,
and this situation is arguably the major cause of debate. It must be understood that the use
of IV fluid replacement following exercise and/or acute weight reduction to correct mild to
moderate dehydration is not clinically indicated nor substantiated by the medical literature.
There is a well-established body of scientific evidence to confirm that oral rehydration is the
preferred therapeutic choice, potentially even more effective than IV infusion3-15

Fluid IVayweather signed up for it, here is the rule he should have adhered to, but he obviously didnt
If the athlete has an acute medical condition where an IV line was essential for treatment in a hospital admission, surgical procedure, or clinical investigation. Examples would be a severely dehydrated athlete with signs of circulatory compromise and the need for an IV line during a surgical procedure.
Clinical investigations to diagnosis medical conditions, such a medical imaging, may also require IV administration of non-prohibited medicine which is permitted.
In emergency circumstances, IVs may also be given by paramedical staff or physicians on the field of play, but an emergency TUE application is required as soon as reasonably possible after treatment has been received. Examples may include a semi- or unconscious athlete, an athlete who cannot tolerate oral fluids, or treatment of an acute injury.
IV infusions during home visits, urgent care or after-hours clinics, boutique IV and rehydration services, and doctor’s office visits are not hospital admissions and would require an approved TUE in advance.
Notice how it actually says not at your house

First you said there is no need of an IV in an athlete, thats is BS.

Second youre quoting rules that are not rules.


“Contrary to Mr. Hauser’s inaccurate reports, [a USADA official] was in the home and observed Mr. Mayweather’s condition that precipitated the need for an IV. The [official] was also in the home when the paramedic was called and remained in the home while the paramedic provided the IV. At no point during the infusion did Mr. Mayweather attempt to hide anything regarding the treatment he was receiving.

“Mr. Mayweather’s use of the IV was not prohibited under the NSAC rules at that time and would not be a violation of the NSAC rules today.”

The USADA statement also claims “there is no such thing as an inadvertent use waiver … and USADA certainly did not invent such a process for the benefit of Mr. Mayweather.”

Hauser’s story, quoting former BALCO mastermind Victor Conte, also questioned USADA’s reluctance to incorporate Carbon Isotope Ratio testing to identify synthetic testosterone use.

“Contrary to Mr. Hauser’s unsubstantiated claims … CIR testing was conducted on all 22 urine samples collected from both Mr. Mayweather and Mr. Pacquiao during the testing program in advance of their fight,” according to the statement.

“USADA maintains, however, that focusing only on CIR testing is not up to current scientific practices. USADA also utilizes the Athlete Biological Passport to longitudinally monitor an athlete’s urine and blood profiles, which allows us to look for any minor or major fluctuations in an athlete’s blood and steroid values, including fluctuations in their [testosterone/epitestosterone] ratio.”

https://www.latimes.com/sports/sport...917-story.html

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That's a lie. The levels were permitted for therapeutic use and USADA's panel of doctors and experts, who don't know who the athlete is, agreed it was for therapeutic use. No rule broken.




That's a lie. The treatment setting was permitted if medically appropriate and USADA's panel of doctors and experts, who don't know who the athlete is, agreed it was appropriate. No rule broken.




That's a lie. For unexpected ailments, applying for a retroactive exemption is perfectly normal and done all the time. There is absolutely no requirement to apply for an exemption prior. No rule broken.




Explain how we know about any of this if they were on the take. Explain why a TUE would even be needed if they were on the take. Explain how we know about any of this if they were on the take. Your premise is ridiculous.

Keep lying to yourself fangirl, the rules are black and white, just shows you’re delusional

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No rules were broken. You just don't understand the rules.




Floyd and Manny asked USADA for the most extensive testing program of any boxing match in history, with the largest amount of tests and the largest amount of staff. That's why it cost more than the average fight.

One of the main reasons VADA is cheaper than USADA is VADA doesn't staff their own collectors. They outsource to random companies around the country. USADA has to pay full time salaries to full time collectors who fly around the country and do this as their full time job and expertise. VADA just hires random collectors from random companies who do it as part time work like an uber driver. That's a big part of how VADA cuts costs so they can charge less.

So according to you, what Fluid said is correct, it’s Olympic style testing, is that what you’re saying

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First you said there is no need of an IV in an athlete, thats is BS.

Second youre quoting rules that are not rules.


“Contrary to Mr. Hauser’s inaccurate reports, [a USADA official] was in the home and observed Mr. Mayweather’s condition that precipitated the need for an IV. The [official] was also in the home when the paramedic was called and remained in the home while the paramedic provided the IV. At no point during the infusion did Mr. Mayweather attempt to hide anything regarding the treatment he was receiving.

“Mr. Mayweather’s use of the IV was not prohibited under the NSAC rules at that time and would not be a violation of the NSAC rules today.”

The USADA statement also claims “there is no such thing as an inadvertent use waiver … and USADA certainly did not invent such a process for the benefit of Mr. Mayweather.”

Hauser’s story, quoting former BALCO mastermind Victor Conte, also questioned USADA’s reluctance to incorporate Carbon Isotope Ratio testing to identify synthetic testosterone use.

“Contrary to Mr. Hauser’s unsubstantiated claims … CIR testing was conducted on all 22 urine samples collected from both Mr. Mayweather and Mr. Pacquiao during the testing program in advance of their fight,” according to the statement.

“USADA maintains, however, that focusing only on CIR testing is not up to current scientific practices. USADA also utilizes the Athlete Biological Passport to longitudinally monitor an athlete’s urine and blood profiles, which allows us to look for any minor or major fluctuations in an athlete’s blood and steroid values, including fluctuations in their [testosterone/epitestosterone] ratio.”

https://www.latimes.com/sports/sport...917-story.html

Well you’ve just incriminated him, a USADA OFFICAL CANNOT ORDER AN IV, ONLY A DOCTOR CAN, IN AN EMERGENCY SITUATION, A PARAMEDIC CAN USE AN IV BUT YOU MUST APPLY FOR AN EMERGENCY TUE, DID THAT HAPPEN, NOOOO, BACK TO THE DRAWING BOARD JNR