3 reasons Eddie Hearn isn't selling tickets in the US

[Eff Pandas]

I preface the following commentary with the following statement.

THIS IS JUST MY OPINION, I am not the end all be all of this forum, I enjoy the debates, and respond to stories accordingly.

Fair play.

1. Light stable

Canelo is a massive draw in the US, but beyond that, what does Eddie have in the US market?

American boxing fans think Joshua is soft, that's why he has yet to truly cultivate his brand in the US, and that is reflected in how many Americans are watching his fights.

So who does Hearn have in regards to the US market???

Nobody, Vargas is a robin, Miller is less than that, Jacobs couldn't sell out a church bingo game, Andrade is low profile.

The UK Stars don't mean sh/t to the US market either, Wilder engendered higher ratings than Joshua did on the same network, and we can all admit Wilder is not truly a mainstream star, not yet

I mean first off I should say I feel like drawing is a relative thing anyway. If you don't have a big draw guess what...you aren't gonna draw big. Or you are gonna have to create a event-like atmosphere like Hearn has done in the UK. And he's not gonna be able to do that in the US til he's got YEARS in the US market.

So basically idk that Hearn isn't drawing exactly what he should be drawing or better with the fights he's putting on in the places he's putting them on yet overall. I'm sure he's had some good shows, I'm sure he's had some bad shows, but overall is he really doing THAT bad or is he doing what he should be doing with Big Baby headlining?

2. To much content

Boxing fans will never admit it, but we need time between cards, the risk in putting on so many obscure cards is that you dilute the content, Hearn's plan is going to lose so much money because he is obsessed with his delusional arms race with Al Haymon, he is making the SAME mistakes Haymon did whenPBC jumped off, low quality showcase fights, and trash in between.

This isn't the UK, US fans don't view c level fights as PPV attractions.

Hearn's cards on Dazn have been decent, but overall the content is C level.

I don't buy this one at all. I think if anything Hearn has a broader range of places to put on fights then he does in the UK & when a big fight comes to town boxing fans & sports fans are gonna go. I lived in Michigan forever. And not the cool part everyone knows in Detroit. I was pretty much on the exact opposite side of Michigan as Detroit. So we didn't ever have big fights. I've been to dozens & dozens of club shows in my time. When Mayweather fought Phillip N'Dou on HBO in Grand Rapids I had ringside tickets to that mfer doe. I suspect there are many boxing fans in many places that don't see many non-club show caliber fights or any top 10 type guys whatsoever that are dying for Hearn or ANYONE to come to town.

3. He is staging fights in HORRIBLE fight markets

Chicago is not a fight town, Boston is not a fight town, Hearn is about to put a card in Kansas!

Freaking Kansas, what we have here is an English promoter that has no understanding of the US market, the drop, how the money flows, where the money is, how to cut corners with venues, he has ZERO relationships with the Casino moguls, DAZN US's biggest weakness is Hearn, and thats not totally his fault, but the locations of these cards are a disaster, the work of people who have never worked at the elite level of US boxing commerce.

I lived in Chicago. Chicago IS a fight town. No one puts on any fights there is the thing. So they gotta depend on a Chicago guy coming up who stays in IL & thats not gonna happen cuz generally anyone outta Chicago who's worth a damn gets picked up by a big promoter.

But the stuff paragraph I did above about Grand Rapids is relevant for this reason as well.

If you put on fights they will come. Any big city is a potential fight town if you put on some damn fights there.

Haymon is in the drivers seat at the moment for this reason, Hearn can't compete with his stable overall, but the ties to the market are almost insurmountable.

There is no one I appreciate in boxing more than Haymon probably cuz of how he treats his fighters, but he's like a girl with big t^tties who won't take her shirt off with how he operates. He's got all the talent, but don't know what to do with it OR he respects his fighters so much he doesn't want them to fight each other. And honestly I got no idea which one is more accurate.

Having the two biggest stars in the sport is nice on the surface, but Haymon has hundreds of fighters, and an untold amount of prospects, in essence, he has the inside track, unless the hedge fun stops printing money for him.

Well I don't think anyone is going anywhere anytime soon so Haymon having this or DAZN having that or ESPN having w/e doesn't necessarily define what things might look like 4 years from now. And the reality is all these guys are gonna be in business 4 years from now & I think Haymon is the only one who's future is to be decided 4 years from now as I think Bob & Eddie are locked in for 7(?) & 8(?) years. This is a long game & we aren't close to deciding who's winning.

In closing, DAZN is a nice venture, but they just don't have the juice in the US.

Not yet.

Not yet is exactly right. I do think if I could bet on who has the most % bump in what they are doing now vs what they are doing a year or two years from now DAZN would win that bet for me.

The problem with ESPN is Bob isn't a guy who's cut out to be running boxing on this scale cuz he's not into having his guys fight the best fights vs non-in house opponents of skill. Matter of fact he'll burn bridges on making fights like few others could outside of their worst nightmares.

The problem with PBC is Haymon is TOO boxer friendly I feel like. He's letting guys call their own shots as their manager & there is no promoter leading his best guys to their best fights & blueprinting their future like Bob & Eddie do for their fighters. Hell man I think Eddie has said he's mapped out Joshua's whole career. Who's done that for Spence or Thurman or Wilder? I don't think anyone has. Thats a problem for making those guys rise & become as big as they can.

The problem with DAZN is inexperience in the US market & thats a gap that will be shortened after each event & year after year. And they need to entice some more names after they've acquired the 2 biggest names in under a month of being in the US market. I like the obstacles DAZN has to overcome more than ESPN or PBC.

[Eff Pandas]

Do the people on this thread realize that DAZN started like 2/3 months ago? Why is everyone so keen to judge now - it's crazy! Judge in 2 years time - Rome wasn't built in a day and I think they've made a solid start.

i think its fine to judge anything at any point. But you obviously got to frame it correctly which I believe the TS did.

I mean just look how he ended his critique.

In closing, DAZN is a nice venture, but they just don't have the juice in the US.

Not yet.

I think he made fair criticisms overall that while I took issue with I think aren't THAT crazy or out of bounds.

[Eff Pandas]

The Kansas card makes no sense to me. He moved it to Kansas because Nico Hernandez sells tickets. But Claressa Shields is on the card and all of her fights in Detroit have sold out.

I would've moved it to Detroit & made Shields the co-main. She sells more than Hernandez.

Yea I agree with this.

I wonder if there is a reason it wasn't moved to Detroit. Or somewhere in Michigan. Give Grand Rapids some love once & awhile.

[Amber_TKO]

i think its fine to judge anything at any point. But you obviously got to frame it correctly which I believe the TS did.

I mean just look how he ended his critique.


I think he made fair criticisms overall that while I took issue with I think aren't THAT crazy or out of bounds.

I liked the post you made above this & pretty much agreed with everything you said. Kinda what I was trying to say, you just worded it better!

Still think it's way too soon to make any judgement on DAZN though. It's like judging a football game on the very first play, it's still so early.

[Fanofreason]

DAZN went with Oscar because Hearn is a bust

[Motorcity Cobra]

I lived in Chicago. Chicago IS a fight town. No one puts on any fights there is the thing. So they gotta depend on a Chicago guy coming up who stays in IL & thats not gonna happen cuz generally anyone outta Chicago who's worth a damn gets picked up by a big promoter.
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Yes it is. People think because major fights are held in certain cities it's not a fight town. Smaller shows in Chicago do well. If Granados was on that card it would've sold more.

Cincinnati is another great fight town. The crowds for the local pro & amateur shows are always packed

Milwaukee is another great fight town

[Clubber Pac]

Yes it is. People think because major fights are held in certain cities it's not a fight town. Smaller shows in Chicago do well. If Granados was on that card it would've sold more.

Cincinnati is another great fight town. The crowds for the local pro & amateur shows are always packed

Milwaukee is another great fight town

I am curious, what is the basis for calling Milwaukee a great fight town??

I really can't think of any big time fights happening there ever, although I don't know the first thing about the local scene.

[Motorcity Cobra]

I am curious, what is the basis for calling Milwaukee a great fight town??

I really can't think of any big time fights happening there ever, although I don't know the first thing about the local scene.

I was in Milwaukee for a couple of months and they had a lot of boxing gyms and a couple local shows. There's a Milwaukee/Chicago rivalry. Luis Arias is from Milwaukee.

I also like to go to local shows in my area. I keep track of the state commission calenders of upcoming fights. Tennessee is a great fight state. They have a lot of shows. Kentucky does to. But some of those are Cincinnati fights being held just inside the Kentucky border.

Most state athletic commission have their combat calenders posted on the website. If the don't you can request them

https://www.tn.gov/commerce/regboard...-calendar.html

http://ins.kbwa.ky.gov/

https://aco.ohio.gov/Results/cid/2?Category=boxing

[Stinger1]

I'm sorry but this thread is ridiculous. We will only know Hearn's success or failure after 2+ years not 6 shows. We will see if he can sell more tickets the next time he goes with a show to Chicago or Boston.

[pillowfists98]

DAZN went with Oscar because Hearn is a bust

Aside from Canelo, Oscar's stable is clearly inferior to Hearn's.