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Compared to say a 35+ Oscar vs Pacquiao? Or 30+ Cotto vs Pacquiao? Again, he can be 38 but his run of form is dramatically different. By simply "age", then Floyd had to have been whatever you would rate Mosley when Canelo fought him and when Pacquiao fought him as well. I dont think Floyd has fought anyone older than him since Oscar other than Mosley who demanded the fight in the first place. So using just "age" as a measure of rating. Floyd has to be rated quite low. Even in the fight against Mosley, Floyd was still what? 33? But yeah, thanks for the discussion. |
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The prime/peak of a boxer's career is pretty self-explanatory I think...it is when you are at your best...generally you build up to that peak level in your younger years, and then fall off some as you age...some guys have a longer prime than others...for some it is only a few years, and could be as small as one fight/night. Last edited by Boxing_1013; 11-12-2019 at 02:06 PM. |
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For me I just try and look at what weight a guy was fighting at, his age/performance that night, and also his performances before and after that fight as well...the fact that Canelo was fighting a little bit off of his usual weight there just kind of taints that victory imo...and the fact that Canelo imo is pretty clearly in his prime now, and looking back he was much more of a student at that time than a master as he is now. So yeah before and after the Floyd fight..Canelo's level was very good...but I don't think that version of him could have hung with GGG or Jacobs/Kovalev like he is doing now...so yeah I just think the weight issue and the age make him a decent amount worse of a win than he would be now for example. |
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A lot.of people on here seem to always claim ducking some higher weight when the fighter chooses to move down of their own free will. Yet when ita a weight clause, turn around and want it to be something different. Inconsistencies there. It makes the whole judgement invalid. |
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Prime is your best with the capability to show more. You dont peak on a mountain while still capable of looking up. Peaking, is exactly that. The best a person will probably ever get. Hence, like when you are on a mountain at its peak, there is only sky left above you. After you peak, you decline, nothing more. So instead, I think for you, your concept of prime and peak are exchangeable words. I would suggest you just pick one to use then. For others, that may not be the case. Like for me, for example. I think Gervonta is in his prime but nowhere near the point where he cant get any better. For you, Gervonta being in his prime means he is at his best already and will only decline after a certain point. (Probably once he loses I presume?) |
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