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Why Pirog isn't fighting in the US revealed
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Last edited by DoktorSleepless; 12-24-2011, 02:48 AM.
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Originally posted by daggum View Postwasn't pirog trying to make a fight with geale on showtime? i don't think he could or should fight lara if that was even a possibility. stop everything i have to fight a junior middleweight untelevised to boot just because he called me out!
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Originally posted by DoktorSleepless View PostWhy does he have to drop everything? Negotiate with both. With who does Pirog have a better chance at landing a tv spot with? Lara or Geale? A guy who just headlined on HBO against Paul Williams or the other guy who hasn't been on American tv? A win over Lara would probably help Pirog's career a lot more than a win over Geale.
You're saying Lara brings cred with American fans, but the fight wouldn't even be shown here (other than espn3 sat morn stream, but Pirog doesn't need Lara for that). And he really doesn't look much on paper, no belt, 17 fights, 0-1-1 most recently, coming up in weight and undersized even at jmw. Hard to justify any big pay bump for such an opponent. And I think Lara was looking for a substantial purse, it's no wonder he called him out just after team Pirog made the surprisingly large offer to Sergio.
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Originally posted by HeroBando View PostThe problem is that Lara is not bringing a tv date, not as the featured fighter anyway, he's the b side.
You're saying Lara brings cred with American fans, but the fight wouldn't even be shown here (other than espn3 sat morn stream, but Pirog doesn't need Lara for that). And he really doesn't look much on paper, no belt, 17 fights, 0-1-1 most recently, coming up in weight and undersized even at jmw. Hard to justify any big pay bump for such an opponent.
And I think Lara was looking for a substantial purse, it's no wonder he called him out just after team Pirog made the surprisingly large offer to Sergio.Last edited by DoktorSleepless; 12-24-2011, 04:16 AM.
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Originally posted by DoktorSleepless View PostIf Lara vs Hearns is able to get a premium cable date, Lara vs Pirog can too. Even being the b side on Showtime or HBO is a great start. A guy like Pirog should not put all his eggs in one baskets on headlining. Pirog headlining is very unlikely unless he's able to get Chavez Jr or Martinez, especially now that the Geale fight isn't happening for whatever reason. Lara got a lucky break landing the Williams fight after not looking so hot against Molina.
I could also understand Pirog not wanting to fight Lara and taking a pay cut in Russia, but the option is still there and Lara is willing. I don't really have that big of a problem with Pirog in that respect. The reason I mention it is because I do have a problem with some of his delusional fans who think Martinez is ducking Pirog, but don't apply the same standard on the somewhat similar Pirog and Lara situation.
I didn't get that impression at all. He didn't even mention money. Lara has been having trouble finding an opponent and capitalized in the Pirog drama that was going on. Lara has also been calling out Sergio Martinez and that belt from Pirog would help him a lot to get the fight.
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Originally posted by DoktorSleepless View PostIf Lara vs Hearns is able to get a premium cable date, Lara vs Pirog can too. Even being the b side on Showtime or HBO is a great start. A guy like Pirog should not put all his eggs in one baskets on headlining. Pirog headlining is very unlikely unless he's able to get Chavez Jr or Martinez, especially now that the Geale fight isn't happening for whatever reason. Lara got a lucky break landing the Williams fight after not looking so hot against Molina.
I could also understand Pirog not wanting to fight Lara and taking a pay cut in Russia, but the option is still there and Lara is willing. I don't really have that big of a problem with Pirog in that respect. The reason I mention it is because I do have a problem with some of his delusional fans who think Martinez is ducking Pirog, but don't apply the same standard on the somewhat similar Pirog and Lara situation.
I didn't get that impression at all. He didn't even mention money. Lara has been having trouble finding an opponent and capitalized in the Pirog drama that was going on. Lara has also been calling out Sergio Martinez and that belt from Pirog would help him a lot to get the fight.
http://www.boxingscene.com/team-piro...k-geale--45086
Or you think Lara deserves a lot more than the other 2 guys. How much more? 3 times as much? 5?
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Originally posted by Forza View PostPirog isn't marketable to the US fanbase that's why
he'd be at least as marketable as somebody like barker or dzinziruk
that's the point
he's too good and is a larger risk than you need to take for the reward he can bring
they are making this all more complicated than it needs to be in disecting it
the guy doesnt fight
he beat jacobs and did nothing with it
how can you establish yourself on the shelf? you've got to be worth the risk for somebody to take the fight
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Originally posted by HeroBando View PostPirog's best chance at headlining is Quillin, if everyone wants it.
Originally posted by HeroBando View PostSo you don't find the timing curious. You think Lara would fight him in Russia for similar money as Pirog's last 2 challengers? If so, why isn't he pursuing it:
At the time of that thread, I was thinking Pirog was being paid maybe 200k and I thought giving Lara 100k would be fair because Lara would be Pirog's biggest name in his career. Lara deserving more than Pirog's previous opponent was implicit, but no where did he imply he would be asking for 3 million. Now that I know Pirog makes over a million per fight, he can more than afford to give him an acceptable purse. Pirog fans like to complain that everyone is ducking him, but there's Lara more than willing to take him on. I have no idea how much Pirog's opponents have been paid (probably crap), but Pirog could at the very least offer 200k to a guy of Lara's caliber and he would probably take it in order to get a shot at the belt.Last edited by DoktorSleepless; 12-24-2011, 05:37 AM.
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Originally posted by DempseyRollin View Postbut hes also punishing himself by taking big paydays in mother russia instead of trying to get some spotlight in the us. hes not a houshold name, but he could become one if his team got their act together.
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