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Old 09-09-2018, 03:50 PM #21
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Yea I've seen this first hand. I lived in a city coming up that had a strong wrestling background at the elementary, jr hs & hs level. There a bunch of ~5ft6 men in that city that were weight cutting in their pre-puberty & puberty years. I don't think those cats realized that likely stunted their growth & perhaps did other less obvious things to their bodies.
That's exactly what I'm talking about. Kids were fainting at practice because they dehydrated too much (wearing a rubberized sweatsuit for too long and no water during practice). Not all the time, but often enough that coaches knew it and still allowed it to continue.
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Old 09-09-2018, 04:13 PM #22
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That's exactly what I'm talking about. Kids were fainting at practice because they dehydrated too much (wearing a rubberized sweatsuit for too long and no water during practice). Not all the time, but often enough that coaches knew it and still allowed it to continue.
Yea that stuff is insane & a whole other thing as I see it. Its dangerous for adults to cut weight, but it can be life & body altering to do it as a child.

I seen kids "eating" ice chips for lunch at school for days before a meet or tournament. Kids can't be ecpected to know better, but if you were an adult in this world you had to sense this stuff didn't make much sense. I was glad to hear they have improved this craziness in recent years.

Boxing needs to get on this trend at the junior & open amateur levels & professional levels, but knowing boxings slow to adapt status it might be a decade or two away.
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Old 09-09-2018, 06:47 PM #23
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Yea that stuff is insane & a whole other thing as I see it. Its dangerous for adults to cut weight, but it can be life & body altering to do it as a child.

I seen kids "eating" ice chips for lunch at school for days before a meet or tournament. Kids can't be ecpected to know better, but if you were an adult in this world you had to sense this stuff didn't make much sense. I was glad to hear they have improved this craziness in recent years.

Boxing needs to get on this trend at the junior & open amateur levels & professional levels, but knowing boxings slow to adapt status it might be a decade or two away.
Yup. Boxing has to straighten this out; however, I'll be the first to say that I don't know how it could be achieved (at least on all levels it seems to be too great a task to accomplish).
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Yup. Boxing has to straighten this out; however, I'll be the first to say that I don't know how it could be achieved (at least on all levels it seems to be too great a task to accomplish).
I think its debatable the best way to go about it, but I think defining it for fighters out of the gate upon receiving a license is key.

What sorta hybrid BMI type thing you use to come up with acceptable weights for people/body types is a whole debate in itself. But those urine gravity tests seem to be a good method to test dehydration so you can tell who's using tactics to get to a lower weight to an unhealthy degree. Not sure if there are ways around that, but they likely will be if it became a thing, but I think you could counter act that, at least at the highest levels of pro boxing with doing random weigh ins when you do random drug testing which I think almost all the ABC groups are doing now for all their ranked fighters.

Would obviously be harder to take this to the lower levels if you are doing random weigh ins, but I think doing those urine gravity tests at an event could be used to okay or not okay fighters at all levels to fight.

Its definitely a topic I'm highly interested in & am still learning about & open to differing opinions & thought processes on, but I do believe there are ways today as we speak to end the weight cutting in boxing if they wanted to. I think its a bridge to far for boxings power brokers today with how they tend to operate. They are always several steps behind on what they should be doing cuz boxing is so divided at all levels. But if they wanted to they could.
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"They are always several steps behind on what they should be doing cuz boxing is so divided at all levels. But if they wanted to they could." This sums it up. It's almost as if they believe they are safe doing nothing (until Congress decides to treat weight cutting as they've treated the opiate crisis).
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Old 09-10-2018, 11:41 PM #28
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Called it.

Tyron Woodley clearly has that division on lockdown, most his haters came from Lawler nutt-huggers and then the people who bought into the Wonderboy hype (guy is legit tbf).

Even the RDA hype got settled by Covington, and that one didn't surprise me either. MMA fans don't know fucc all about fighting OR boxing. Say what you want about boxing fans but at least the hardcores know what they are talking about and know what they are seeing, in MMA a guy gets a couple wins and is the new hot shyt.

Not one of them could tell me what Till does exceptionally well - he is a counterpuncher that doesn't have amazing speed, distance control, boxing skills / technical ability or reactions - he is just a big guy with decent punch power, hardly this once in a generation fighter his fans were making him out to be.

Woodley, whether entertaining or not is irrelevant - no-one is going to out-wrestle him and no striker is so good that they can fight him without being hit back, and much harder to boot.

Woodley just needs to face Covington, Usman and maybe RDA and he has cleared out the divison - and he beats all three of those guys. No division has a clearer dominant champion, not even 145 with the extremely talented Holloway, who has to pass his test with Ortega who brings something new
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Also, I'm so glad that guy got beat, I never liked him or his fans. Till can't start or finish a sentence with at least 10 'f' words and 5 'c' words, and he talks about being the best fighter ever while also bragging about how much bigger he is than the guys he is facing.

The guy is the worst weigh-drainer in the UFC bar none. Move up to MW and make your case there, any longer at WW and you are just further embarrassing yourself. You will never beat Woodley
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Called it.

Tyron Woodley clearly has that division on lockdown, most his haters came from Lawler nutt-huggers and then the people who bought into the Wonderboy hype (guy is legit tbf).

Even the RDA hype got settled by Covington, and that one didn't surprise me either. MMA fans don't know fucc all about fighting OR boxing. Say what you want about boxing fans but at least the hardcores know what they are talking about and know what they are seeing, in MMA a guy gets a couple wins and is the new hot shyt.

Not one of them could tell me what Till does exceptionally well - he is a counterpuncher that doesn't have amazing speed, distance control, boxing skills / technical ability or reactions - he is just a big guy with decent punch power, hardly this once in a generation fighter his fans were making him out to be.

Woodley, whether entertaining or not is irrelevant - no-one is going to out-wrestle him and no striker is so good that they can fight him without being hit back, and much harder to boot.

Woodley just needs to face Covington, Usman and maybe RDA and he has cleared out the divison - and he beats all three of those guys. No division has a clearer dominant champion, not even 145 with the extremely talented Holloway, who has to pass his test with Ortega who brings something new

Gotta agree with this.
Great white hype in all honesty.
Even his striking is far from impressive. The UFC sure know how too sell a fighter and UFC fans lap it up everytime.

I don't see him fairing well at all if he moves up, he won't have a 20lb advantage and the division is a shark tank. He'll get destroyed at 185.
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