''If We Look At Marciano's record, he Fought a Bunch of DUCKS!'' - Floyd

[Cheek busting]

That's not true on Robinson, nor does it relate context. Floyd fought 22 guys who won belts; 11 were current/former lineal champs. Robinson fought 17 world champions who were all of the single champ variety (just on a quick spot check) in about 45 fights over the course of his 25 year career. That is to say Robinson had almost as many fights against champions as Mayweather had fights period. That doesn't include slews of strong top ten contenders like Tommy Bell, Georgie Abrams, Rocky Castellani, Jose Basora, Steve Belloise (and that's just a sample)...all the type of guys who would win belts in a 4 title era like now. There's some padding, but it was an era where guys made money by staying active. He didn't win them all but you're talking about a guy who was 131-3 when he made his comeback where he picked up most of his losses and still managed wins over Fullmer, Basilio, Moyer, his favorite working over pal (Olson) and Dupas before he was done.

Robinson's record, on paper, scoffs at all but a handful of fighters who ever lived. And its deep as hell. To imply otherwise is in error.

ROALDIE?!?! Posting in NSB!! Hahah never seen you post here outside of responses to compliments/criticisms of your much-anticipated "Report Cards"! Let's go to the report card!

Heheh.

Good point you raise here, doe. The sheer magnitude of fights Robinson fought, against such a diverse amount of styles, is something that we will just never see again.


As great as Floyd is, and he's definitely worthy of a top-5 ATG nod, IMO, nobody will match, nor pass, Robinson.

[crold1]

If you compare both guys opposition in 49 fights, he has a point.....Floyd defeated over 20 top ten contenders and champions whereas Marciano may have fought 6-8.....

Would agree with this. Marciano had a short run really; beat some solid contenders but he was carefully managed for a significant part of his career. Once he accelerated, he obliterated several top ten contenders and his challengers were better than sometimes recalled. Moore might have been older, but he was clearly the top contender and had beaten guys like Valdez and Baker to get his shot.

That said, Floyd was beating top guys less than two years in and was still beating them right to the end (minus Berto).

[Sugar Adam Ali]

Floyd fought many more top level fights than rocky. Floyd has much more depth on his resume, it's not even close.

[Cheek busting]

Floyd's resume is definitely better than Marciano's, but he's completely wrong about the Rock.

First of all, it should be noted that Marciano would have likely been a MW with today's weight-cutting techniques.

The guy stood not a hair above 5'9'', with a sub-70" reach.

He came into the ring at around 185 pounds. He probably walked around not much higher than this. Some guys who fight at MW right now, walk around 188ish or more if they've been out of the gym for a while.

What he accomplished was nothing short of amazing.

His natural power... Jesus... Just ferocious.

[crold1]

Floyd's resume is definitely better than Marciano's, but he's completely wrong about the Rock.

First of all, it should be noted that Marciano would have likely been a MW with today's weight-cutting techniques.

The guy stood not a hair above 5'9'', with a sub-70" reach.

He came into the ring at around 185 pounds. He probably walked around not much higher than this. Some guys who fight at MW right now, walk around 188ish or more if they've been out of the gym for a while.

What he accomplished was nothing short of amazing.

His natural power... Jesus... Just ferocious.

Rock was an apt nickname because he was literally a little brick in there. He trained like a mad man and came in at what was his best weight. He could cut off a leg and have a hard time making the weights you're talking about. Look at how thick his legs were. Maybe, when he was young, he could squeeze to 75, but that's as low as he was getting. He'd just be the best cruiserweight in the world today.

[Elroy The Great]

rocky was the beneficiary of the perfect era with the perfect complexion in the perfect division. his resume is shlt.

better human being than may, but thats not close to being the point.

[Cheek busting]

Rock was an apt nickname because he was literally a little brick in there. He trained like a mad man and came in at what was his best weight. He could cut off a leg and have a hard time making the weights you're talking about. Look at how thick his legs were. Maybe, when he was young, he could squeeze to 75, but that's as low as he was getting. He'd just be the best cruiserweight in the world today.

But when you cut weight today, it involves depleting your glycogen stores, and water weight. You can take off 15ish pounds in a week by restricting your food/water intake.

This is what fighters do today.

I believe he could absolutely make 168, and maybe 160.

Nutrition, and weight-cutting have come a long way.

[crold1]

rocky was the beneficiary of the perfect era with the perfect complexion in the perfect division. his resume is shlt.

better human being than may, but thats not close to being the point.

Simply not true. Moore was RED HOT coming into their fight. Heavyweight might not have been superb, but there were some solid guys and Moore was kicking their ass. Walcott was still a beast in their first fight. It's not as deep as a Johnson (pre-title) or Ali or Holyfield, but he beat plenty of top ten guys. Layne, Matthews, LaStarza: all capable guys. Charles could still fight his ass off and most though he got the business in the fourth Walcott fight.

Rock might get overrated but its inaccurate to go all the other way around and say his resume was ****. It was actually quite solid.

[crold1]

But when you cut weight today, it involves depleting your glycogen stores, and water weight. You can take off 15ish pounds in a week by restricting your food/water intake.

This is what fighters do today.

I believe he could absolutely make 168, and maybe 160.

Nutrition, and weight-cutting have come a long way.

Maybe, but he wouldn't have to, need to, and not sure a guy as thick as him is healthy doing it. Not everyone is built for that sort of weight cut even today.

[Cheek busting]

rocky was the beneficiary of the perfect era with the perfect complexion in the perfect division. his resume is shlt.

better human being than may, but thats not close to being the point.

I disagree with you on this.

He has a very solid resume.

To remain undefeated in 49 fights ANY era, particularly HW, when everybody has a punchers chance, is phenomenal. ESPECIALLY at his size!

There are some straight murderers on Rock's resume. Joe Louis was not shot like some say when he fought Rock. He definitely wasn't in his PRIME, but far from a shot bum. That version of Joe Louis was still world class, and a beast. Hell, he had ONE loss to Ezzzard Charles (since his loss to Schelling) when he fought Marciano. He was on like an 8-fight winning streak too.