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Old 04-05-2020, 01:22 PM #31
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If he fought in the 10s and 20s when NOBODY could box, he would be the GOAT.

Jack Dempsey and Gene Tunney couldn't fight...go watch the videos
LMAO. Where do these casuals come from?

Show me a Heavyweight with Dempsey's punching prowess, head movement, and mobility.

Show me a Heavyweight with Tunney's footwork, defense, control of distance and speed.

Show me!
And these aren't fighters who were coddled through the amateurs, got marquee trainers, had months between camps.

Holyfield would look like every other no-name goon of the era. He wasn't very smart and he wasn't very inventive. Every guy who looked like him succeeded either by having a MASSIVE punch (Holyfield was feather-fisted), or they clinched up smaller men (without HGH, modern diet and conditioning, and steroids he's no bigger than Dempsey).
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Old 04-06-2020, 12:44 AM #32
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- -This place like Romper Room, terribly infantile and untutored but funny as f!

Given U tykes all the time in the world to come up with The Correct Answer, no drumroll needed, just a proper bow and scrape to Sam Langford.
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Old 04-06-2020, 10:42 PM #33
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- -This place like Romper Room, terribly infantile and untutored but funny as f!

Given U tykes all the time in the world to come up with The Correct Answer, no drumroll needed, just a proper bow and scrape to Sam Langford.
Those losses were to terrible fighters.

Are we counting losses that occurred outside the division?

Are we even considering Sam a Heavyweight.

And finally... what part about "champion" are you struggling with?

To be fair, in sooo many ways he's better than most Heavyweights. At least P4P.
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Old 04-06-2020, 11:10 PM #34
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- -Sam held the spit title when the French stripped JJ, after which Sam painted a masterpiece on Jeannette for the title.

Also held the colored title which had more prestige than the IBF.
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Old 04-06-2020, 11:33 PM #35
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- -Sam held the spit title when the French stripped JJ, after which Sam painted a masterpiece on Jeannette for the title.

Also held the colored title which had more prestige than the IBF.
It's Boxing. Not Duck Duck Goose... it's not like you say "title" enough times that you get to say "championship".
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Old 04-07-2020, 06:06 PM #36
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Evander Holyfield and its not even close.....Any heavyweight under 6'6..Holyfield has a shot in beating them
he beat valuev and got robbed
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Old 04-07-2020, 07:23 PM #37
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he beat valuev and got robbed
- -Field had been stripped of his license, so the only thing left was for him to be passed around for the pleasure of King and the Russians for peanuts.

What grade U in?
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Old 04-07-2020, 07:36 PM #38
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It's Holyfield.

-WBA, WBC, IBF, lineal champion with three successful defenses (lost on the fourth to Bowe)
-WBA, IBF, lineal champion (lost on the first defense to Moorer)
-WBA, IBF champion with four successful defenses (lost on the fifth to Lewis)
-WBA champion (lost on the first defense to Ruiz)

Also challenged:
-Lennox Lewis for WBC/lineal twice in unifications, drew once and lost once
-John Ruiz for WBA, drew
-Chris Byrd for vacant IBF
-Sultan Ibragimov for WBO
-Nikolai Valuev for WBA

Wins over other heavyweight champions:
-Buster Douglas
-George Foreman
-Larry Holmes
-Riddick Bowe
-Ray Mercer (if you count his WBO reign, that is)
-Mike Tyson (twice)
-Michael Moorer
-Hasim Rahman
-Frans Botha (if you count his vacated IBF reign)

And, again, the draws with Lewis and Ruiz.

And that's all ignoring his sparkling cruiser resume.
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