Powerful Tyson Fury Interview On Joe Rogan Experience (Must Listen)

[Robbie Barrett]

Was that quote from Dick Pound about the Fury case? what "level" was he referencing? certainly not "elevated" levels over the 2ng/ml limit as in Fury's case.

People taking nandrolone can pop 50x over in many cases. There has been many false positives proven in scientific testing: Pregnant women can go as high as 22ng/ml, the cut off for women is 5ng/ml by the way.

A full study here https://bjsm.bmj.com/content/36/5/325.

Give it a read and still see if you think Fury was taking PED's.... if you can't be bothered, read the summary:

The abuse of the steroid testosterone presented a new problem for drug control in sport. Perhaps the same can now be said for nandrolone. According to the Olympic movement anti-doping code, NA is not a prohibited substance. However, should NA in the urine exceed a certain threshold concentration, the interpretation is that nandrolone has been ingested or injected. There is strong scientific evidence to show that NA can appear in the urine of people free of exogenous nandrolone. Evidence suggests that NA may occur as an intermediate in the aromatisation of testosterone to oestrogen. Recent evidence has shown that the amount of NA in the urine can be regulated by the administration of human chorionic gonadotrophin. Therefore, threshold concentrations for men (2 ng/ml) and women (5 ng/ml) as defined by the IOC are still open to debate because conclusive scientific evidence showing how these values may be altered by various physiological stimuli is lacking. In accordance with this, multicentre studies need to answer further specific questions on the current urine threshold concentrations for nandrolone metabolites and whether physiological stressors and permitted supplement interventions can alter NA excretion.

So exercise raises levels, certain supplement stimuli and even eating red meat. If you get tested right after a gruelling training session your levels can go right up. They done a test on football players before and after games and one guy was 1.7ng/ml! imagine testing a boxer after a 2 hour strength and conditioning session.

Science is lacking and the cut off limit for men needs to be reviewed as there is no scientific reason for women being allowed 3ng/ml more.

The effect of exercise
In the past years, different groups have tested selected athletes' samples to determine whether exercise played a role in the excretion of norsteroid metabolites and apparently, it is not the case. One group analysed samples taken from two cohorts of football players, amateurs and professionals, and noted that up to 6% of the samples collected post‐match—in uncontrolled conditions—contained traces of 19‐NA; the authors prudently attributed the findings to either endogenous production, release from the fatty tissues of a previous intake of 19‐NT, or intake just prior to the match of a product containing nandrolone.71 Another group reported the results of 385 samples from 40 football players and described concentrations of 19‐NA as significantly higher than those before match,72 while again in uncontrolled conditions, traces of 19‐NA were found in some professional football players' samples but were absent in samples from the control group.73

Under controlled conditions, baseline levels of 19‐NA in male athletes have been found to be either undetectable or reaching a maximum level of 0.25 ng/ml (mean 0.048 ng/ml). Exercise was not found to influence 19‐NT secretion or excretion of 19‐NA.74 There was no impact on the excretion of norsteroid metabolites of controlled exercise sessions in young male athletes; only one sample contained measurable amount of 19‐NA (0.13 ng/ml).75,76

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2657496/

[Marchegiano]

Meh, dude's getting ktfo, this touchy feely bull**** ends with the bronze bomber.

Besides, Wilder's daughter is a much more compelling story than " I was king of the world but got real sad because not enough of my people kissed my ass so I started doing coke and drinking in excess, lost my belts, and gained 150 lbs but I'm back mentally stronger than ever" Bull****. Nothing wrong with this dude outside of having a bad case of pussitis. He's not just a grown ass man, he's a very successful grown ass man with absolutely not a ****in' thing under the sun to whine about and yet look at him whine.


Deontay Wilder is going to pull the ***** out of Tyson Fury and beat him over the head with it.


To the others expressing mental illness I bet your ass did get depressed bubba, where is your millions? You have a reason to hate the planet. Tyson does not. He's a ***** who isn't satisfied even he gets exactly what he wants. Like a spoiled and petulant child.

[Boksfan]

Basically two guys sucking each other and shytting all over Joshua. Pathetic that jealous bum Fury can't keep Joshua name out his mouth wile fighting Wildher. I expect Fury and Wildher to kiss next, they said so many times they love each other.

[Boksfan]

It's standard practice that to make a fight you negotiate with a rival promoter of the person you're trying to make the fight with.

This is where Hearn has been going wrong. He sends offers to Wilder/Finkel/Haymon. He should have been talking to Bob Arum all this time.

Lmao good one, to make fight with Fury you need to go counterintuitive

[Vinnykin]

The effect of exercise
In the past years, different groups have tested selected athletes' samples to determine whether exercise played a role in the excretion of norsteroid metabolites and apparently, it is not the case. One group analysed samples taken from two cohorts of football players, amateurs and professionals, and noted that up to 6% of the samples collected post‐match—in uncontrolled conditions—contained traces of 19‐NA; the authors prudently attributed the findings to either endogenous production, release from the fatty tissues of a previous intake of 19‐NT, or intake just prior to the match of a product containing nandrolone.71 Another group reported the results of 385 samples from 40 football players and described concentrations of 19‐NA as significantly higher than those before match,72 while again in uncontrolled conditions, traces of 19‐NA were found in some professional football players' samples but were absent in samples from the control group.73

Under controlled conditions, baseline levels of 19‐NA in male athletes have been found to be either undetectable or reaching a maximum level of 0.25 ng/ml (mean 0.048 ng/ml). Exercise was not found to influence 19‐NT secretion or excretion of 19‐NA.74 There was no impact on the excretion of norsteroid metabolites of controlled exercise sessions in young male athletes; only one sample contained measurable amount of 19‐NA (0.13 ng/ml).75,76

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2657496/

Ok, two totally conflicting studies on the subject, but what they BOTH said is that further study is needed into the effects of exercise, diet etc I'm not willing to say Fury is a drug cheat until I know the amount he tested..... if it's between 2ng/ml and 5ng/ml it is unlikely to be from taking synthetic nandrolone and could easily be from a mixture of diet, exercise and other things.

The science is NOT exact, and there have been studies done where people have tested over the limit without taking any synthetic nandrolone, and that people testing over 2ng/ml is rare but not that rare.

That article also mentioned supplements that have it but are not listed in the ingredients.... could be a cause; considering:

"So how do scientists know when an athlete has taken nandrolone to enhance their performance?

Some urine and blood samples have 50 to a 100 times the normal natural level of nandrolone in their bodies.

This is normally a good indication that an athlete has used the steroid for performance enhancing reasons."

"Are all tests for nandrolone correct?

Sometimes an athlete can have more nandrolone than normal in their body if they have eaten a lot of red meat.

And perfectly legal dietary supplements can be broken down by the body to produce the same substances created when nandrolone is broken down."

Inconclusive you HAVE to admit yeah? neither me nor you can be positive (lol) that they were taking nandrolone. If it was so simple they would have suffered a large ban if they had levels associated with taking the drug, rather than natural amaounts that CAN be produced in the body under the right circumstances.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sportacademy/h...00/2380463.stm

[jas]

amazing .