For the most part I agree, although there have been some in the ballpark. But Liston's ability to get the knockout punch wasn't the best ever, although very good. And weight is probably more about body strength.
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Originally posted by Cardinal Buck View PostFor the most part I agree, although there have been some in the ballpark. But Liston's ability to get the knockout punch wasn't the best ever, although very good. And weight is probably more about body strength.
"Weight" alone doesn't affect you as drastically as you may think, "weight" doesn't specify between, fat, muscle, water, or just plain mass either.
Assuming the bigger you are the slower and heavier you will be is a myth, as is vica-versa. The human body and metabolism are very complex, what may apply to one individual does not necessarily apply to the next. Also do not discount people who defy logic by just being naturally stronger, faster, flexible, or talented, regardless of training regimen, or experience.
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Originally posted by McGrain View Post
A word about punch resistance - I think they have similair resistance to punishment, although Liston was basically impossible to hurt to the body. But I don't think Tyson has that "tide-turning" type of chin. I think that he takes punishment, but the hurt causes his head to drop. We saw it against Hollyfield and Lewis, and to a lesser degree against Douglas. Liston was capable of turning the tide after being hurt, and we saw this agianst Williams, who "hit him so hard all over [my] body" that Sonny became convinced he "didn't have a weak spot", and he went on to KO Williams in 3.
If Tyson slows he will be stopped. If Tyson manages to keep the pace high, he'll lose a wide decision.
Bad match up for Mike.
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Originally posted by Cardinal Buck View PostOne confounding issue here is Liston's size. Liston was huge for his era, and if he fought today would likely put on another 15 or 20 pounds, but I'm assuming he'd fight Tyson at his fighting weight which was more like 220. So I'm not sure how much of his size and strength were just comparative to his era. I'd expect virtually no 220 pound man taller than Tyson to be able to push him around. Yeah, Liston was strong, but I think it would be less than expected if he were actually in the ring with Tyson. Golata, Bonecrusher, and Ruddock come to mind as guys who were physically either bigger or similar to Liston and couldn't move Mike backwards.Last edited by res; 06-16-2012, 09:43 AM.
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Originally posted by IronDanHamza View PostI'd say that's because Holyfield was very good on the inside in comparison to Tyson
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Tyson did kind of suck by then, but good point. It was more wrestling than Tyson actually moving back though.
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