Do Broad Shoulders Help You Hit Harder?

[Spartacus Sully]

Doesn't mass also add weight?
What does strength have to do with punching?
How does core stability affect punching?

yes mass= weight

weight= harder punch f=ma

strength compensates for the weight

stability allows you to put more force into the punch while remaining balanced which also helps to compensate for the weight

also the negative improves the spring of the muscle when used concentrically if you accentuate it.

[Righthandbanger]

its not about adding mass. strength training does not = mass. If you do not have a calorie surplus you will not put on mass.

strength and power are reliant on sufficient neuromuscular coordination. The reason broad shoulders probably help is more to do with the weight distribution in your body amplifying the force differently.

some guys are touching on what you'll need to do to get power, some guys are just ****ing ******ed.

whole body strength is necessary to increase your power. this means pushing AND pulling. the power of your core (abs, obliques, back) and your whole posterior chain must be strong, but in proportion with each other.

..again a program like http://www.stronglifts.com will do everything you need for building power.

for some extra benefits add in low rep cleans/jumps/hammer swings etc and russian twists, wood choppers and other ab work

[EzzardFan]

yes mass= weight

weight= harder punch f=ma

More weight = higher weight class = all advantage of the extra mass is negated.

strength compensates for the weight

Please tell me about your strange Earth ways???

stability allows you to put more force into the punch while remaining balanced which also helps to compensate for the weight

I love pull ups but in order to increase core strength you need to do just one rep as slowly as possible. Regular speed or explosive pull ups only really target the major muscles in the group.

also the negative improves the spring of the muscle when used concentrically if you accentuate it.

Quacks like a turd.

[Spartacus Sully]

I love pull ups but in order to increase core strength you need to do just one rep as slowly as possible. Regular speed or explosive pull ups only really target the major muscles in the group.

Major muscles in the group? i dont know if you seen what the lats look like but they originate at your iliac crest(as well as connect to and give lots of support to the spine). which is your core. by using close grip pull ups the entire lat area is in the range of motion and being worked reguardless if you work it fast or slow.

Quacks like a turd.

yes you are a turd.

Here you can check out the lats and its actions on the arm by clicking the blue words on the right under actions
http://www.getbodysmart.com/ap/muscu.../tutorial.html

[EzzardFan]

Major muscles in the group? i dont know if you seen what the lats look like but they originate at your iliac crest(as well as connect to and give lots of support to the spine). which is your core. by using close grip pull ups the entire lat area is in the range of motion and being worked reguardless if you work it fast or slow.



yes you are a turd.

Here you can check out the lats and its actions on the arm by clicking the blue words on the right under actions
http://www.getbodysmart.com/ap/muscu.../tutorial.html

The core muscles in the back are the minor stabilising muscles, for instance the rhomboids. To experience your core strength try taking as long as possibly to execute a single pullup or pushup, ideally around 60secs or more (if you can). The stabilising muscles will be forced to kick in to assist the major muscles.

When it comes to punching these core muscles have little or no effect, they are a lot more useful in clinching and grappling.

For punching you need to generate explosive power in the fast twitch response of your major muscles and those all need to work together. For boxing inverted rows are more important than pull ups when it comes to working the lats. There are two reasons for this, firstly because the inverted row better correlates to the operation of the lats whilst punching and secondly because they are easier to perform explosively than pull ups.

[Spartacus Sully]

For punching you need to generate explosive power in the fast twitch response of your major muscles and those all need to work together. For boxing inverted rows are more important than pull ups when it comes to working the lats. There are two reasons for this, firstly because the inverted row better correlates to the operation of the lats whilst punching and secondly because they are easier to perform explosively than pull ups.

also with wide grip its easier to do the pull up to your chest or abs which uses your back more then your arms once you get use to doing this wide grip its just as easy to do it close grip maintaining the use of the back along with a much greater range of motion.

and once you get used to them you can swing your legs up as you go horizontal and do them quite explosively while using leverage from your legs to work your core and make the negative more eccentrict.

[Verstyle]

I have broad shoulders and I think I hit alright and such. I use my torso a lot to get that rotation.

[Verstyle]

Power comes from your core (Hips, Legs, Midsection)

A Herculean lat spread and broad shoulders won't make you punch any harder

That's a lie. Look at some of the hardest hitters ever. Tyson, Shavers, Frazier, Foreman.

[EzzardFan]

If anyone would like to experience exactly which muscles they use to punch and in what proportion, then here's how to go about it.

Firstly cease all weights, calisthenics, and bag work for two weeks.

Then go and find the heaviest heavy bag you can and beat the **** out of it for 10 rounds. Hit it as hard as you can for as long as you can. Throw every punch in your book.

Then wait till the next morning or that day after that, and it should become fairly obvious from the pain which muscles are being used.

If you want to get really scientific, then just throw one type of punch at the bag and you can find out which muscles you are using to throw that punch.

Also due to the pain experienced in the subsequent days it will also become apparent that the heavy bag is probably the single best way to build the muscles you need for punching. It it wasn't helping improve your punching physique then it wouldn't hurt now would it?

[Righthandbanger]

If anyone would like to experience exactly which muscles they use to punch and in what proportion, then here's how to go about it.

Firstly cease all weights, calisthenics, and bag work for two weeks.

Then go and find the heaviest heavy bag you can and beat the **** out of it for 10 rounds. Hit it as hard as you can for as long as you can. Throw every punch in your book.

Then wait till the next morning or that day after that, and it should become fairly obvious from the pain which muscles are being used.

If you want to get really scientific, then just throw one type of punch at the bag and you can find out which muscles you are using to throw that punch.

Also due to the pain experienced in the subsequent days it will also become apparent that the heavy bag is probably the single best way to build the muscles you need for punching. It it wasn't helping improve your punching physique then it wouldn't hurt now would it?

This post is ******ed.

1) please dont use the word 'scientific'. this 'experiment' has nothing scientific about it

2) the muscles you use most in punching are your core (abs, hips, back).. and yet only your shoulders will hurt the next day

3) yes, I would agree that the best way to improve your punch would be to hit the heavy bag. however, you can make extra gains by using weights.. they are just no substitute for technique