Showtime call BS on Iole and Rafael PPV "source"

[Tom Cruise]

Out of interest if the the number was under a million, say between 850,000 and 1,000,000 at $70 a pop would that actually cause Showtime to lose money?

It wasnt that long ago that Mayweather Hatton got 900,000 odd buys and it was seen as a great number...

Do they commit more money to advertising since those days?

[Danny Gunz]

Out of interest if the the number was under a million, say between 850,000 and 1,000,000 at $70 a pop would that actually cause Showtime to lose money?

It wasnt that long ago that Mayweather Hatton got 900,000 odd buys and it was seen as a great number...

Do they commit more money to advertising since those days?

The ultimate problem is Showtime committed so much guaranteed money to Floyd that they need the ppvs to break at least a million to break even.

[hectari]

Dan Rafael @danrafaelespn 2h

Don't underestimate this if PPV did as bad as I've heard: Pacquiao's loss hurt it. Make no mistake. Without specter of May-Pac less interest

I agree with Fat Dan here Pac's loss hurt Floyds ppv drawing power and combine it with no Canelo on the under card.

[Tom Cruise]

The ultimate problem is Showtime committed so much guaranteed money to Floyd that they need the ppvs to break at least a million to break even.

Makes sense, forgot about the guarantee...

[Hitman932]

Out of interest if the the number was under a million, say between 850,000 and 1,000,000 at $70 a pop would that actually cause Showtime to lose money?

It wasnt that long ago that Mayweather Hatton got 900,000 odd buys and it was seen as a great number...

Do they commit more money to advertising since those days?

Probably 3 factors at work here..

1) Spent a lot more on advertising because Guerrero's name doesnt sell itself
2) Mayweather's guaranteed purse and share of PPV is much higher now
3) Hatton-Mayweather also sold over 1 million PPV's in the UK

[deejd]

whatever one was the showtime one then

That was the Mosley fight... you know, the one with no confirmation on the actual numbers; just arum's word.

[The Big Dunn]

I agree with Fat Dan here Pac's loss hurt Floyds ppv drawing power and combine it with no Canelo on the under card.

you agree with any tweet, post, media report etc that says anything good about Manny.

[Ray*]

How many days does it normally take before numbers start floating around?

[Hitman932]

If this fight loses money it will have some serious implications.

First off any money they lose is going to come out of their boxing budget, which means less fights on Showtime period.

Second, if this fight loses money than so would every other potential matchup outside of Canelo and Pac. Considering his contract is a 3-4 year deal then Showtime knows their budget is ****ed for a long time to come.

Which means...

They will try to exert as much pressure as possible to get Mayweather in the ring with Canelo or Pac.

Which means...

Mayweather will probably just retire again after 1 or 2 more mismatches.

[MiscBrah]

HBO has to publicly release their numbers, does Showtime?

Yes, they are public companies... I won't even bother explaining what that means because it still baffles me everytime there's a ppv and people talk about companies cooking ppv numbers....


People need to remember this happen when he fought Ortiz and everyone bought into it because reporters like Steve Kim that are bankrolled by top rank started spreading rumors..