FAO Jim Jeffries

[PBDS]

.....In regards to your GIF. I have always thought that Sanders maybe got in a headbutt or two when he was throwing those punches at Wlady? What do you think?

[tyson]

I think Wlad closed his eyes while trying to reach in to grab, and thus got caught in sleep with something hard.

Head, fist... does it matter?

You don't care what I think, but neither do I.

[Jim Jeffries]

.....In regards to your GIF. I have always thought that Sanders maybe got in a headbutt or two when he was throwing those punches at Wlady? What do you think?

That was the first knockdown, and as many times as I look at it, I can't really see the vicious punch from Sanders that puts him down. Now Corrie caught him with a decent punch before this, but it wasn't enough to put him down. What I do see is what looks to me like an intentional headbutt that puts him down and then a right that misses.

Maybe I'm nuts, but Brewster lands a hard left hook just after the bell in their first fight. Too soon to punish him in any way, but reason enough not to stop the fight in between rounds.

I think Wlad closed his eyes while trying to reach in to grab, and thus got caught in sleep with something hard.

Head, fist... does it matter?

You don't care what I think, but neither do I.

Head or fist doesn't matter in a street fight, but I think it does in a boxing ring. I also think Sanders was a bad match up for Wlad and he probably would've stopped him later in the fight any way.

In the Brewster fight, Wlad was completely gassed out and hurt at that point, so I'm not sure a minute rest would've changed the outcome of that one either. Maybe a 5 minute one, like they do for low blows though ...

[!! Shawn]

That was the first knockdown, and as many times as I look at it, I can't really see the vicious punch from Sanders that puts him down. Now Corrie caught him with a decent punch before this, but it wasn't enough to put him down. What I do see is what looks to me like an intentional headbutt that puts him down and then a right that misses.

Maybe I'm nuts, but Brewster lands a hard left hook just after the bell in their first fight. Too soon to punish him in any way, but reason enough not to stop the fight in between rounds.

Short left hook, watch it.

[tyson]

I think Wlad closed his eyes and turned his head a little bit towards the left, making his head make contact with the left shoulder after the first left hook in the clip.

Also, he was on his way forward, his body expecting to connect with the right hand. The counter left hook was unexpected by his body, which will make the punch that much more dangerous.

[Jim Jeffries]

Short left hook, watch it.

Perhaps, but I don't see Wlad's head snapping back like it does from the headbutt.

[tyson]

Perhaps, but I don't see Wlad's head snapping back like it does from the headbutt.

Me neither, but I see the head twisting sideways towards the shoulder. Terrible moment to get caught with a punch;

Leaning into it, not seeing the punch coming at all... Over-commitment can cost ya.

[!! Shawn]

Perhaps, but I don't see Wlad's head snapping back like it does from the headbutt.

Its like the punch Gamboa took out Edwards with

[Jim Jeffries]

Me neither, but I see the head twisting sideways towards the shoulder. Terrible moment to get caught with a punch;

Leaning into it, not seeing the punch coming at all... Over-commitment can cost ya.

I know the hardest punches sometimes look like nothing at all, like the one Foreman caught Moore with, without a different angle, I can't be sure. I do find it funny that some people can't see the headbutt in the gif though.

Even if there's a left preceding it, the butt looks like it does more damage.

[PBDS]

Short left hook, watch it.

...That's pretty clear but a headbutt follows it IMO.