Floyd Mayweather is in my top 3 of all time let the hate begin!

[Johnwoo8686]

Floyd deserves huge credit for his longevity. But your second paragraph doesn't really mean anything.

The second paragraph means a lot especially in discussions about pound for pound greatness. Floyd is often criticized for fighting a guy smaller than himself in Marquez but people seem to forget that Floyd is also a small man himself who moved up in weight. He started at 130 pounds and moved up to 154 pounds without facing single defeat. No one in the last 40 years of boxing has been able to move up 5 weight classes, win world titles, and not lose a single time.

[djtmal]

The second paragraph means a lot especially in discussions about pound for pound greatness. Floyd is often criticized for fighting a guy smaller than himself in Marquez but people seem to forget that Floyd is also a small man himself who moved up in weight. He started at 130 pounds and moved up to 154 pounds without facing single defeat. No one in the last 40 years of boxing has been able to move up 5 weight classes, win world titles, and not lose a single time.

c'mon man....floyd cherrypicked the second half of his career...thats why it isn't as revered as guys like ali and sugar ray, or what jordan did with the bulls... jordan was crowned the goat before he retired.... couldn't tell the league who he wanted to face in the finals, then dictate the terms so he has every conceivable advantage...he wanted to beat you with all your best weapons on the court....you feed me 10 slow, flat footed guys one after another and i'd go undefeated too...

[Johnwoo8686]

c'mon man....floyd cherrypicked the second half of his career...thats why it isn't as revered as guys like ali and sugar ray, or what jordan did with the bulls... jordan was crowned the goat before he retired.... couldn't tell the league who he wanted to face in the finals, then dictate the terms so he has every conceivable advantage...he wanted to beat you with all your best weapons on the court....you feed me 10 slow, flat footed guys one after another and i'd go undefeated too...

No you would not go undefeated against ten guys who were world champions. Don't kid yourself. And the whole idea of cherry picking reigning world champions is idiotic and is a standard that is only applied to Floyd. For example somehow Cotto and Canelo were cherry picks but when they fight each other years after Floyd beat them both it was called a superfight lol.

Floyd is already regarded as one of the best ever to do it and is undoubtedly the biggest earner the sport ever had, similar to Tiger Woods in golf and Jordan in basketball.

[pasawayako]

Let's argue Floyd is p4p 3 best boxer to live, tbh from super feather to light middle there are few fighters in history that would beat him on his best nights.
Also I think he has beaten more world champs than any fighter in history. But I could be wrong on that.

Yes he's in top 3 but to me pacquiao is in top 2 atg.
Here's the fact.
8 division champion (the only boxer and no one will ever come close to achieve it even in the future)
5 division lineal champion (the only boxer to achieve it)
FIGHTER OF THE DECADE (Mostly only ATG boxer can get this award)

[djtmal]

No you would not go undefeated against ten guys who were world champions. Don't kid yourself. And the whole idea of cherry picking reigning world champions is idiotic and is a standard that is only applied to Floyd. For example somehow Cotto and Canelo were cherry picks but when they fight each other years after Floyd beat them both it was called a superfight lol.

Floyd is already regarded as one of the best ever to do it and is undoubtedly the biggest earner the sport ever had, similar to Tiger Woods in golf and Jordan in basketball.

c'mon man...lets not fool ourselves here...ortiz, guerrero, maidana, berto, were not world champions by any stretch...they were beltholders in whatever alphabet organization ranked them...he cheated a lightweight in marquez on the scales ...pac, cotto, and shane the fights were past the due date...

everything up to hatton is solid...post hatton...its not like floyd lined up 8 prime tommy hearns caliber fighters and beat them...you have to overexaggerate these mediocre fighters with the title of "world champ" for floyd just to make it sound good...

[spytactics]

50-0
Championships from 126 to 154
Bronze medalist at 17

Lmao at 50-0

...and Lmao at top 3

[spytactics]

No you would not go undefeated against ten guys who were world champions. Don't kid yourself. And the whole idea of cherry picking reigning world champions is idiotic and is a standard that is only applied to Floyd. For example somehow Cotto and Canelo were cherry picks but when they fight each other years after Floyd beat them both it was called a superfight lol.

Floyd is already regarded as one of the best ever to do it and is undoubtedly the biggest earner the sport ever had, similar to Tiger Woods in golf and Jordan in basketball.

Don't even compare flaccid floyd to Tiger or Jordan. None of the major sports news authorities do so why would you? Floyd only seems "great" because of the mediocre state that boxing has been in since the last 25 years.You go to China, Australia, Egypt, etc and they know who Jordan and Tiger are....floyd,...not even his mom knows who he is

[robertzimmerman]

The second paragraph means a lot especially in discussions about pound for pound greatness. Floyd is often criticized for fighting a guy smaller than himself in Marquez but people seem to forget that Floyd is also a small man himself who moved up in weight. He started at 130 pounds and moved up to 154 pounds without facing single defeat. No one in the last 40 years of boxing has been able to move up 5 weight classes, win world titles, and not lose a single time.

Floyd was a genius in the ring.

One of the greatest of all time.

You're obviously a huge fan. But as great as he was, there's fighters who have better resumes and who are ranked higher, even though they suffered some defeats.

Again, it's okay listing the statistics, but they need to be put into context.

Floyd's performance against Marquez was great. He looked very sharp after the lay off. But you know why he gets criticised. He gets criticised because Marquez moved up, and he was deliberately cheated on the scales in order for Floyd to gain an even bigger advantage.

Yes, Floyd moved up through 5 classes. But that doesn't automatically mean that it surpasses anyone's career who didn't achieve that feat.

Regarding Floyd's size, you simply have to note that Floyd has a huge reach of 72" which gave him huge advantages over most of his opponents. It's very rare for a guy of Floyd's size possess a reach that big. That's a big wingspan. To a guy like Floyd, reach was much more important than weight. How many times was Floyd completely outsized, in terms of height, reach and weight? That's why I consider in win over Oscar as his greatest win. Because although the win over a guy like Hatton was far more entertaining, he fought him above his best weight class with a 7" reach advantage.

You seem to be obsessed with statistics. But it's not enough, until they're objectively analysed. Otherwise, Marciano was a greater fighter than Ali, and Joe Calzaghe was a greater fighter than Roy Jones.

Again, we know that Floyd was great. But you haven't been objective. If Floyd had fought a different timeline from a tougher era, then the likelihood is that the 50-0 probably wouldn't exist. If you want to make a case for him being a better fighter than a guy like Ray Leonard on a P4P basis, then that's okay. But he doesn't possess a better resume. Because quality always trumps quantity.

[mcdonalds]

c'mon man...lets not fool ourselves here...ortiz, guerrero, maidana, berto, were not world champions by any stretch...they were beltholders in whatever alphabet organization ranked them...he cheated a lightweight in marquez on the scales ...pac, cotto, and shane the fights were past the due date...

everything up to hatton is solid...post hatton...its not like floyd lined up 8 prime tommy hearns caliber fighters and beat them...you have to overexaggerate these mediocre fighters with the title of "world champ" for floyd just to make it sound good...

The only cherry pick was berto. Believe it or not robert guerrero was actually ranked p4p by multiple publications

You criticize his resume but who was he supposed to fight instead between 2011-14?

[Johnwoo8686]

c'mon man...lets not fool ourselves here...ortiz, guerrero, maidana, berto, were not world champions by any stretch...they were beltholders in whatever alphabet organization ranked them...he cheated a lightweight in marquez on the scales ...pac, cotto, and shane the fights were past the due date...

everything up to hatton is solid...post hatton...its not like floyd lined up 8 prime tommy hearns caliber fighters and beat them...you have to overexaggerate these mediocre fighters with the title of "world champ" for floyd just to make it sound good...

Evander Holyfield became undisputed Heavyweight champion by beating Buster Douglas. Douglas was no world beater but he was the champ and it does not take away from Holyfields victory. Dont act as if Leonard didn't fight a couple of scrubs himself. Maidana didn't earn his title fighting for a vacant title, he beat the actual champ. You can discredit those guys all you want but they were all decent level fighters especially when you compare them to the likes of Douglas or John Ruiz who Roy Jones beat to win his heavyweight title.

And Ray didn't actually beat Hearns in their rematch. Hearns soundly beat him but was robbed with a draw.