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'If the athletic American kids chose boxing over NBA/NFL, USA would dominate'
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quite a stupid and childish thinking, you have to have the trainers and schools to teach those black kids, do you have that BASE to lean on, do you have them trainers from colleges and universities who knows boxing and learn it from different schools all over the world?
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Look how insecure these non black Americans are lol. You love to see it. You people really do have inferiority complexes when it comes to black Americans. Leaping to use this Nate Robinson-Paul circus fight as if it makes some type of point is proof is positive. Robinson is 36 5’9 with no boxing experience. He went in the ring at almost 180lbs(he was in no boxing shape whatsoever) against a younger bigger more experienced man who outweighed him by more than 10 lbs.
It’s common sense that if the black Americans in the nba and nfl were in boxing that black Americans would dominate the sport even moreso than now. That doesn’t mean that every guy in the nba and nfl would dominate. You people are stupid lol.
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Originally posted by Citizen Koba View PostWell, yes, if America had more boxers then you'd have more success. Ain't rocket science. Thing is you can say the same for anywhere else... if you crunch the numbers you'll find that boxing success (in terms of titles won by nation) is roughly equal across the major boxing nations adjusted per boxing capita.
America has most titles but it also has most registered pro boxers by a margin, Mexico next*, then the UK in rough proportion.
The newer boxing Nations (mainly the former Soviets) tend to be a bit top heavy but that's a consequence of elite Ammies turning pro without the broad base of regular club and national level pro fighters below 'em that you find in the devloped boxing countries.
There's nothing intrinsic in American genetics or in the air or water of your great land that makes people better fighters, man, people from everywhere can fight.
*EDIT: Just checked and that seems to have turned around since last year, in fact the # of registered pro boxers in Mexico seems to have almost doubled (from roughly 2200 to over 4000) since I checked last year, which is an eye opener but might be down to a huge influx of guys without any income due to COVID same as there was a huge increase in the #s of US boxers during the great depression era of the late 1920s and early 1930s. Interesting social phenomenon that. For similar reasons Nicaragua always has a massively outsized number of boxers per capita and punches well above it's weight in the boxing world... in fact much of boxing has alway been driven by the economics of necessity.
Needless to say the vast majority of fighters driven into the sport to basically keep a roof over their head or eat ain't gonna be of any great quality, but a tiny fraction will and so I wouldn't be surprised to see the consequences of these greater numbers filter to through to Mexican success in a few years. Be interested to see how that plays out.
Just wanted to clarify, I’m not saying Americans are the most dominant but they hold the cards and dictate a lot in the world of boxing. Of course Mexico is probably the second most influential in the sport.
What I’m saying is that many of these countries literally have money and programs pumped in boxing whereas America really doesn’t. Think about Mexico for example. Boxing is like their second biggest(by popularity and even revenue) sport after soccer. The same can be said about most countries including England.
What we know is that wherever the focus and intention of money is-that’s where we will see be developed.
Eastern European countries and Cuba pump tons of money into boxing and Olympic sports and thus you see the results and the numbers reflect accordingly. It’s not that anyone is better genetically per say, just that you need funding to develop kids.
I always use the example of my parents country Jamaica. They have 2.5 million people and the country is the size of Brooklyn and Long Island combined. They DOMINATE track and field. Why? Well they literally use a big portion of their budget to fund track programs in every single school. And it shows on the world stage.
Finally, my main point was that if America put nearly as much money and resources per capita as these other countries, there would be no question. Especially because the kids here also get a melting pot of styles coming up.
But football, baseball, and basketball take most of our kids that would otherwise be able to go into boxing. Think about all the linebackers we have that could be in the heavyweight division lol.
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Originally posted by Punch on Tap View PostWhat I’m saying is that many of these countries literally have money and programs pumped in boxing whereas America really doesn’t. Think about Mexico for example. Boxing is like their second biggest(by popularity and even revenue) sport after soccer. The same can be said about most countries including England.
And after soccer you still have (at least) rugby taking far more of the UKs athletic talent pool than boxing. Boxing is popular but its definitely not the no2 sport there and probably not no3 either.
Theres just always these "ifs" and "buts" when Americans dont dominate something, its pretty obnoxious and tiresome. We'll probably be hearing Americans dont care about MMA soon too considering they only hold 2 of 12 belts in the UFC these days.
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Originally posted by Punch on Tap View PostAt the end of the day, if Americans overall got into combat sports there would be no competition. Boxing is not even a top ten sports in revenue generated and they still dominate. Imagine if we didn’t have 100s of thousands of kids going into football, baseball, and basketball. It would be a wash.
Boxing isn’t very high up on the list of popular sports in most countries.
What if all the Russian kids or British were boxing instead of playing ice hockey and football (soccer) or whatever
You can apply that theory all over the world
Best two heavyweight in the world from a relatively small island with a population 6x less than USA,,so what if all the kids playing football in England had gone into boxing at a young age. People have this big idea that boxing is a huge mainstream sport in England which it’s not . you have a few popular fighters but it’s still very much a niche sport that’s underfunded in communities.Last edited by deathofaclown; 11-29-2020, 05:20 PM.
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If boxing in recent years has taught us anything, then it’s really that it doesn’t matter who you are or where are you from. Especially since boxing started having more participation in the pro game from different parts of the world.
The two best heavyweights in recent times are Ukrainian guy and a gypsy from England. The best middleweights are a ginger guy from Mexico and another guy who is from Kazakhstan with a Korean mother.
The two most iconic fighters of recent times that will go down as greats Mayweather who is a black American and Pacquiao who is a Filipino guy.
Not sure why people are always try to create division in boxing. One of the best things about it is that it’s universal and great fighters come from all kinds of places.
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Originally posted by Goldie View PostLook how insecure these non black Americans are lol. You love to see it. You people really do have inferiority complexes when it comes to black Americans. Leaping to use this Nate Robinson-Paul circus fight as if it makes some type of point is proof is positive. Robinson is 36 5’9 with no boxing experience. He went in the ring at almost 180lbs(he was in no boxing shape whatsoever) against a younger bigger more experienced man who outweighed him by more than 10 lbs.
It’s common sense that if the black Americans in the nba and nfl were in boxing that black Americans would dominate the sport even moreso than now. That doesn’t mean that every guy in the nba and nfl would dominate. You people are stupid lol.
Nate and Paul would be a few weight classes apart though if this was the real world. Something like a LHW vs a JMW.
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