South Africa to amend Constitution to make it legal to take white owned lands

[maracho]

I'm really antiaparthied and the white people there really are racists still harboring a form of slavery and I'm not sure what this willing buyer / seller plan is but they had better think long and hard about the great food they presently have

I mean look what's happenned in Zimbabwe after the farms were seized. They are now begging the white farmers to return

I also seen the same happen in Panama where huge tracts of often albeit white over-farmed farmland were forced to breakup for the general populous at cheap prices but then the land quickly turned to a huge slumb. Same has happened to most of the former military bases down there

Government enforced socialism rarely works because the people running for office are so often just parasitic fools trying to make a quick buck even though they often already have big bucks. The People should select who they'd really want running for office but it's the same polyticks that pick who's running

[John Barron]

great doc on this topic

[1bad65]

from NGOs and other relief efforts that will be funded and operated mostly by American taxpayers.

Fixed that for ya.

[1bad65]

I am not pro Apartheid, but it was a phase that happened anywehere between 30 to 70 years ago. A new but also very corrupt government pulling an authoritarian move and taking away the land of the white farmers who are already established there is the way to go? Does this government have an actual plan after taking back said land?

Dude, hes using non sequiturs, ie logical fallacies, on you.

Dont play his game.

This is wrong, and to blame past wrongs for legalized theft now is a cop out and a non sequitur.

Just remember this when in the near future those geniuses are starving and begging others to feed them, and the Big Dunning-Kruger is making ridiculous excuses for it.

[DreamerUSA]

Another childish over exaggerated response. What is it with you guys? I expect that from 1bad, barron and ghostof etcetc, but not anyone intelligent or rational.

I hope you would agree that apartheid was reprehensible and that land stolen and appropriated as part of it is wrong.

Just as with Theodore, if you lived in an area where land was stolen from your ancestors you'd want it back.

The gov't is righting a terrible wrong from the past. Why would you, Theodore or anyone white be against this?

Unless you don' think apartheid was evil and wrong. Do you?

No one would argue apartheid was just, but neither is this. Two wrongs don't make a right. Would you support turning over the entire United States back to Indians and Mexicans? Where do we draw the line at being authoritarians to undue authoritarian practices of the past?

The entire world was conquered, almost no one lives on land that are direct descendants of the original inhabitants. Such is the way of the world.

[BrometheusBob.]

However long ago it was that was when the land was stolen and appropriated. You seem to be saying here that it's ok to keep the land with white people even though they didn't get it fairly.

Why can't you just say apartheid was wrong?

Why does the gov't need a plan other than righting a terrible wrong?

The white farmers haven't done anything wrong with the land, they just got it unfairly. If I steal your car and then fix it up and make it run better, you aren't going to thank me and let me keep it are you?

Of course not.

Reminds me of this screenshot I came across somewhere online



Gave me a good laugh. I wouldn't say I have a stance on reparations myself doe.

[The Big Dunn]

No one would argue apartheid was just, but neither is this. Two wrongs don't make a right. Would you support turning over the entire United States back to Indians and Mexicans? Where do we draw the line at being authoritarians to undue authoritarian practices of the past?

The entire world was conquered, almost no one lives on land that are direct descendants of the original inhabitants. Such is the way of the world.

It does make it even though. With this move both white and black will have the shared experience of having gov't take their land without compensation. Maybe this shared experience will forge relationships among the people to form a true democracy in South Africa.

We can draw the line now because the land is back where it belongs. There isn't a statute of limitations on doing what is right DreamerUSA.

If people lose out now because they and their ancestors benefited from ill gotten gains, so be it. Think about the generations of black families destroyed under apartheid. Think about the violent ways the land was taken.
People imprisoned. Beaten.

Is this being done to these farmers now? No.

Valid point about conquered lands but apartheid is different than conquering a nation through war.

[The Big Dunn]

Reminds me of this screenshot I came across somewhere online



Gave me a good laugh. I wouldn't say I have a stance on reparations myself doe.

Tough, thought provoking question. I honestly think most of the people in this thread wouldn't have an issue with this or my points if race wasn't the prevalent factor.

Race seems to make some posters suddenly forget right from wrong.

I am sure theodore would return an item he purchased once he found out it was stolen.

[DreamerUSA]

It does make it even though. With this move both white and black will have the shared experience of having gov't take their land without compensation. Maybe this shared experience will forge relationships among the people to form a true democracy in South Africa.

We can draw the line now because the land is back where it belongs. There isn't a statute of limitations on doing what is right DreamerUSA.

If people lose out now because they and their ancestors benefited from ill gotten gains, so be it. Think about the generations of black families destroyed under apartheid. Think about the violent ways the land was taken.
People imprisoned. Beaten.

Is this being done to these farmers now? No.

Valid point about conquered lands but apartheid is different than conquering a nation through war.

Thinking that somehow both having the same experience will make people come together is rather pie in the sky. I mean we have a pretty good idea how things like this usually turn out.

So you would support turning the United States back over to Indians and Mexicans?

I don't mind if you are actually going after people that are alive. Which actually may be the case here in some instances. But punishing innocent people to "right" the wrongs of previous generations isn't going to turn out well.

[1bad65]

But punishing innocent people to "right" the wrongs of previous generations isn't going to turn out well.

That right there.

I had family murdered in the Holocaust. Their possessions were stolen and they were murdered.

That said, you dont see me in 2018 saying German people owe me a bunch of goodies to make it "fair".