Wlad vs actual "old" heavies

[Cutthroat]

People bring up his age all the time vs AJ/Fury but ignore the fact that he came in 240lbs vs AJ which was his lightest weight since 2009. He was still in incredible shape at the height of his experience. 2 years earlier when he beat Pulev he looked exactly the same as he'd had his entire career, but suddenly when he lost the "he's old" excuses started popping up.

This is what REAL "old" heavies look like from previous eras:

256lb Foreman, prime was around 220.



Larry Holmes, 226 vs Tyson, prime 212lbs



Lewis, 256 vs Vitali, prime 238lbs





That 240lb trim and cut Wlad is in NO way comparable to these guys, his skill wouldn't deteriorate half as fast staying in such amazing shape.

[Larry the boss]

Well he was 41 coming off of a loss and a 2 year layoff...Im sorry but those are just facts...

[Earl-Hickey]

Well he was 41 coming off of a loss and a 2 year layoff...Im sorry but those are just facts...

Yes that is true but would you honestly say he was a shot fighter.

Say you put that klitschko in with someone higly ranked like kubrat pulev you think he wouldnt have won in dominating fashion

[Sparked_26]

I thought he looked good in the fight. And sharp enough.

Heavyweights can age better these aren't 10 stone grown men sucking on ice cubes on the day of a weigh in.

[Mr Objecitivity]

Doesn't matter. Fact is, Wladimir Klitschko was 41 years old when he lost to Anthony Joshua (one of the best boxers of the current era who is more than 10 years younger than Wladimir Klitschko) and 39 years old when he lost to Tyson Fury (another one of the best boxers of the current era who is also more than 10 years younger than Wladimir Klitschko).

History has proven that all past heavyweight champions who were the best or one of the best during their era, were either retired or losing / having inferior performances compared to Wladimir Klitschko when they were younger or the same age as Wladimir Klitschko when he lost to Tyson Fury and Anthony Joshua. Therefore, proving that age does matter!

Otherwise, you're gonna need to find heavyweight boxers who were around 40 years of age, doing better against the best boxers that were more than 10 years younger than Wladimir Klitschko did.

We will see how good Anthony Joshua's or Tyson Fury's performances are when they are also around 40 years of age compared to Wladimir Klitschko's performances during the same period (assuming they aren't even retired by then). Especially their performances against the best opposition who are more than 10 years younger. If they aren't able to do any better than Wladimir Klitschko, then it will simply prove that age does matter and was a factor in Wlad's defeat against those guys. If they do worse, then it will just make Wladimir Klitschko look even better considering how good he was relative to other boxers at the same old age.

[Mr Objecitivity]

Yes that is true but would you honestly say he was a shot fighter.

Say you put that klitschko in with someone higly ranked like kubrat pulev you think he wouldnt have won in dominating fashion

Perhaps not totally shot! However, it's a huge ask for a boxer at age 41 to beat somebody that is 10+ years younger than themselves + someone who is also one of the best boxers in the division at the time. I can't recall any past boxer achieving this feat and I doubt anybody in the foreseeable future, including Anthony Joshua or Tyson Fury themselves achieving this feat either when they themselves are also around 40 years of age.

Wladimir Klitschko had already shown his signs of decline in his fight against Bryant Jennings. He was past his absolute peak after 2012 anyway.

[Cutthroat]

Well he was 41 coming off of a loss and a 2 year layoff...Im sorry but those are just facts...

They were calling him old vs Fury as well. It's not like Wlad got KO'd that fight either. And it was a 1.5 year layoff.

41 just doesn't mean what it used to, nutrition and medicine have advanced so much that many athletes can maintain their physical shape well into their 40's.

Foreman was already 257 by age 41.
Lewis was 256 by age 38.
Holmes was 226 by age 39.

All these men are true old heavies, guys that were nowhere close to their physical primes.

[chrisJS]

Well he was 41 coming off of a loss and a 2 year layoff...Im sorry but those are just facts...

Since when is 17 months 24 months? Mosley was out 16 months and been the other day you told me 16 months is less of a layoff than 6 months. Then again you did tell me 5 years and 5 months is a longer period of time than 7 years and 1 month. Yet you said Mosley being 38 be off a 16 month layoff was a great win but Pacquaio being 32 off of 6 months is not a good win?

Your calculations are either very dumb or selective to fit your narrative.

[iamboxing]

but suddenly when he lost the "he's old" excuses started popping up.

Well, because he was old. If he was 38, he'd still be considered long in the tooth, but then you'd have a point. 40+ is old in boxing. You can't compare Wlad and Foreman. Wlad had more mileage on the clock. Foreman was practically in cryongenics for 20 years.

[Earl-Hickey]

Perhaps not totally shot! However, it's a huge ask for a boxer at age 41 to beat somebody that is 10+ years younger than themselves + someone who is also one of the best boxers in the division at the time. I can't recall any past boxer achieving this feat and I doubt anybody in the foreseeable future, including Anthony Joshua or Tyson Fury themselves achieving this feat either when they themselves are also around 40 years of age.

Wladimir Klitschko had already shown his signs of decline in his fight against Bryant Jennings. He was past his absolute peak after 2012 anyway.

Yup totally fair points.

But the thing is I dont see any joshua fans claiming that joshua beat a prime wladamir klitschko.

It was an inexperienced pro vs a past prime ATG.

Klitschko was nowhere near "holmes vs tyson shot" or "ali vs berbick shot". No he was still very very capable at the top of the division and still an elite athlete.

It was a very very good win to have on your resume but not an ATG win, no.