Dillian Whyte & Joe Joyce both whoop Old Man Luis Ortiz!

[Rip Chudd]

If only both were that confident and actually...you know...fought Ortiz and beat him

[_Rexy_]

Joe Joyce is an Abel Sanchez fighter, so he is learning the Golovkin defense. The Pillsbury Doughboy Bermaine Stiverne was landing counter shots on him, if those came from a real hitter like Dillian Whyte or Luis Ortiz, he'll be in trouble.

If those came from an in shape Stiverne 5 years ago then Joyce loses IMO.