Does Deontay Wilder have better names on his résumé than Chisora and Helenius?

[TheBigLug]

He lost to Helenius..one of Wilders ko victims ko'd him..what makes him a high level fighter?

So what? those theories don't mean anything. Plus most felt he was robbed v Helenius but even if he lost clearly, that's like saying Wlad wasn't a high level fighter because he lost to Ross Purrity and Purrity lost to a load of bums.

Also, i never said Chisora was a high level fighter, i'm saying that Wilder isn't/hasn't proven it. That's kind of the point. Without robberies, Chisora arguably could go through Wilder's resume undefeated. That's not because Chisora is a high level fighter, it's because Wilder's resume is garbage. That's the point you're missing.

[N/A]

A genuine question.

You're trying to rewrite history.

Bermane Stiverne had the #1 belt in boxing and was universally recognized as the #3 heavyweight in the world when Wilder shut him out.

When were Chisora and Helenius regarded as the #3 heavyweights in the world? When did they hold the #1 belt in boxing?

[boliodogs]

Yes, Stiverne is better. He was a world champion when Wilder beat him.

[Mr Objecitivity]

Bermane Stiverne won his title from Crhis Arreola, who won it from Seth Mitchell, who won it from Jonathan Banks, who won it from Seth Mitchell in the first bout as a vacant belt. This is hilarious and totally laughable!

Looking at their records, how in the world do the likes of Chris Arreola, Seth Mitchell or Jonathan Banks have a better heavyweight record than the likes of Dereck Chisora and Robert Helenius?

Take into consideration, Dillian Whyte defeated Dereck Chisora and Robert Helenius in just around 20 bouts. Which are better wins against better quality opposition than anybody Deontay Wilder had beaten when he had similar number of bouts.

A champion (especially paper champions) aren't automatically better than non-champions. We have to analyze quality of opposition too. Quality of opposition is a better criteria to determine how good a boxer is, compared to using whether an opponent is a champion as a criteria. Otherwise, John Ruiz is a better boxer than David Tua, because he was a champion whilst David Tua was never a world champion, even though Tua destroyed John Ruiz in just 30 seconds in their only bout.

So no, the answer is he doesn't have better quality opposition than either Robert Helenius or Dereck Chisora. At best, it's about even. Bermane Stiverne is comparable to Dillian Whyte (even though Dereck Chisora has fought better quality opposition himself than Bermane Stiverne and was never knocked out by a bum like Demetrice King).