Sergio Martinez didnt get good until he was 34! Thats not suspect? Is he overrated?

[LaMigra]

If Pac didnt get good until he was 25....why doesnt anyone mention Sergio getting good at 34? His quality of opponents is very bad up until the past 2 years...

I am with you 100%. I find a lot of fans are VERY gullible... Sergio and Pac are both suspect.

[mathed]

LOL,dude fought who was available until he got his shot and he capitalized. The hills he had to climb were far greater than the ones Floyd had to climb. Dude got ripped off against Cintron and should have won against Williams in the first match. Plus he said he would take any tests required to bust Floyd up, why is Floyd so scared???

lookat some of the suspicious people that Floyd fought in his career:

1997-10-14 133˝ Felipe Garcia 130 20-18-1

Bank of America Centre, Boise, Idaho, United States

LOL, what a scrub..................

1997-07-12 130˝ Jesus Chavez 130 1-13-1

Grand Casino, Biloxi, Mississippi, United States

LOLOLOL........GREAT WIN THERE TOO...LMAO


1997-05-09 129˝ Tony Duran 133 12-15-1

....You serious????

1997-03-12 132 Kino Rodriguez 130 9-9-2

Wow, what an achievement

2000-10-21 134 Emanuel Augustus 134 22-16-4

Sure.....another career defining win there...lol

Don't throw stones if you live in a glass house.........

Naw man if you are good and you are exciting and you have skills it isnt going to take you 12 years to get a legitimate shot. You say he fought the guys that were available but look at the record of those available...you mean to tell me that those guys with over 5 losses were the only fights a GREAT fighter could get over the course of 12 years?

Look at my first post...I reposted right above your quote in this post too. Floyd hs fought several people in his career with just as many losses as wins....most of those guys don't even fight anymore...even guys like Hatton, Corrales, Hernandez (Mayweather's best wins, are all retired) so to use that no longer boxing excuse only hurt's Mayweather more than it does most other boxers.

And yeah, while Martinez was off in Spain fighting obscure guys, Floyd was fighting 4 rd fights on HBO as a newbie just because he had an amateur pedigree here in the states. So to say that a Martinez, with no amateur career at all, didn't start boxing until his early 20's, and was a virtual unknown for about 10 years becoming a top 3 p4p guy is impressive, is close to an understatement.

[Barry Halls]

so because you never heard of him, or he never got a big fight he wasn't good?

[Walt Liquor]

Stupid thread by a poster with sub par intelligence for a 14 yr old.

[VatoMulatto]

If Pac didnt get good until he was 25....why doesnt anyone mention Sergio getting good at 34? His quality of opponents is very bad up until the past 2 years...

What the hell are you talking about? Do you expect a man who started boxing at age 20 to reach his potentional five years later? There's nothing suspect about Martinez progress.

[jrosales13]

So when he was 33, he wasn't as skillful nor as talented as he is now?

[jrosales13]

And, I also like how the fan boys/hater came in quickly to bash Pac. As if the TS doesn't do it on a consistent basis. Lord have mercy

[Brother Jay]

Well my man, your thread is dying because folks are responding as if you're accusing Sergio of being on PEDs, which you haven't'.

You have asked a legitimate question.

Sergio has 2 noteworthy wins in his entire career.

He's been knocked out by Antonio Margarito.

He's drawn with Cintron.

The man became a pro in 1997 and didn't win a significant match until 2010???

I see exactly what you're saying Cash Cow.

I've said it myself, but this is the current boxing culture now. Everyone who has a win, especially if they are not American, are hailed as P4P fighters even IF they only have 1 or 2 meaningful wins.

And when you consider that Pavlik was coming of a loss to Hopkins and Williams had already been exposed by Quintana ... well I understand your point, Cash Cow.

Sergio Martinez is an exciting fighter as he gets in there and does his best to win. His win over Williams was powerful considering Williams had never been stopped. Pavlik was doing well through the early rounds, but Martinez found a ***** in his armor in the middle rounds.

This doesn't justify anyone calling him a P4P fighter though. The P4P term has been so battered and molested that it carries no real meaning anymore.

P4P used to mean that a smaller fighter's skills would be put up against a bigger man's skills leaving physical attributes out of it. When a fighter's skills came out victorious in a round robin against the current best he was called P4P.

Nowadays, pseudo-intellectuals like Max Kellerman and company use the term to describe anyone who has won the last big fight against another big name, but not necessarily a big talent. That totally stripped the term of the true significance it once carried.

So Martinez .. who has only won 2 significant fights out of 51 .. is ridiculously been called P4P because boxing is in dire need of stars.

If Judah beats Khan tonight, I wonder if they'll be calling the American P4P after such a win? I'm sure they would be calling Khan P4P if he wins.

Its a sham. No one should even be considered for that kind of distinction without longevity. That term was created for Ray Robinson, who after his first loss to LaMotta, went on a 91 fight winning streak. That's called longevity. That's when you know you have a fighter that is consistent at being great and deserves to have such considerations.

Its not as much fantasy boxing as much as its an acknowledgment that a specific fighter's skill and talent are so set apart from ANY other fighter in ANY other division that he is widely believed to have the ability to win at ANY weight .. if size and ONLY size were not a factor.

That's a hell of a compliment, but one that should not be lightly thrown around. Most of today's crop of fighters aren't even close to fitting that criteria. Yet at some point or another they are ALL called P4P.

Good thread, Cash Cow.

[Zocalo]

Stupid thread by a poster with sub par intelligence for a 14 yr old.

Which is the norm here on the boards...

[OMGLadyGaga]

Man what a dumb thread.....obv OP had never heard of Sergio before he fought Paul Williams or something. Add in the fact that he's completely obvlivious to Sergio's lack of amateur background. He started at 147 and is now fighting at 160. And spent most of that at 154...who in their right minds is gonna give a completely unknown great fighter like Sergio a shot??? Too much risk, no reward for whoever the top guys were at the time. Cintron got demolished and salvaged a draw but was quick to never ever ever think about a rematch. Also comparing a guy like Sergio who as I mentioned has only gone up 13 lbs in 14 years vs Pac who has gone up from 108 to fighting for the Junior Middleweight Title, is just silly.