Film night with Jimmy Jacobs.

[sonnyboyx2]

What ever happened to Jimmy Jacobs' boxing film collection?

His collection was sold to Walt Disney Ltd.. Since the arrival of DVDs etc, many fight-film collectors, have a far greater collection than Jacobs had. Most of the fights from Jacobs collection have been copied and are in various collections. They are also for sale on the WWW.

[juggernaut666]

You are Wrong, to claim Lewis, & Vitali to be on the same level. Lewis does not come close to the brothers level. Wladimir is in a totally different league, to what Lennox Lewis was ever in. Wladimir has "Run the Show" for eleven years. Wladimir has more world title fights than almost any other boxer. Wladimir has fought, The No1 Contenders consistently, throughout his reign. Wladimir has consistantly fought, undefeated, unexposed, young top rated No1 contenders... Lennox Lewis is the exact opposite to Wladimir. whichever way you look at it, Lewis turned down title fights with, "Every Top rated fighter and champions throughout the 1990s" unlike Wladimir, Lewis was "Stripped of every version of the Undisputed Title" for refusing to fight the No1 contenders...
Wladimir has "Ducked no-one"
Lewis ducked almost everyone.

Lewis boasted, "One brother for breakfast, the other brother for Tea".. Yet Lewis was very fortunate, to come away with a victory over the limited Vitali Klitschko. Lewis then quickly ran off into retirement, with his trousers full of brown. At the thought of facing Wladimir. In my opinion, Wladimir would destroy Lewis in a couple of rounds. Similar to McCall & Rahman.

Lewis won the Undisputed Title with a very debatable decision, over old Evander Holyfield. Lewis "NEVER" defended that Undisputed Title. He refused to fight the No1 Contenders, so was stripped of every belt. Wladimir has far to much pride and dignity, to run away from a challenge or bring the sport into dispute like Lennox Lewis.

'Lewis boasted, "One brother for breakfast, the other brother for Tea".. Yet Lewis was very fortunate, to come away with a victory over the limited Vitali Klitschko. Lewis then quickly ran off into retirement, with his trousers full of brown. At the thought of facing Wladimir. In my opinion, Wladimir would destroy Lewis in a couple of rounds. Similar to McCall & Rahman."

Again you have facts mixed up, Vitali was better at the time Lewis fought him...sstylistically vs Wlad it could go either way,however to say Lewis was a weak champ discredits anything you say....the whole Carnera is better than Lewis comment ends it right there. Lewis fought better fighters to give up the belts,,as stated had Lewis fought Byrd you would then accuse him of ducking Vitali. There was nothing debatable about the Lewsi win over Holyfield unless you WISH to believe it.




The other stuff? Only if you twist it in your favor.


in reality this is really the only fact you posted...

'Lewis boasted, "One brother for breakfast, the other brother for Tea"



"Carnera is better than Lewis "

[Ray Corso]

.juggy says..........."SRR has never fought ANYONE of Pacman or floyds caliber


this is about as ignorant as it gets! Sugar Ray the undisputed welter king would destroy Pacman and lil' Floyd. Neither of them come close to his skill level then add in Sugars power and its over. As to Sugars opposition...... Sammy Angott 2
Max Shiparo
Marty Servo 2
Fritz Zivic 2
Max Burger
Jake LaMotta 5
Jackie Wilson 2
Ralph Zanelli
Rocky Grazanio
Joey Maxum
Henry Armstrong
Jose Basora
Kid Gavilan
Charlie Fusani
Gene Buffalo
Bobo Olsen
Rocky Castilano
Bobby Dykes
Randy Turpin 2
Luc van Dam
Holly Mimms
Stan Harrington 2
Ralph Dupas
Carmen Basilio
.............................................many others.
These men could have been competitive in any era. Some would be champions
in any era also. The fact that you don't know them just emphasis the fact you don't know boxing history and other than height & weight you know NOTHING!

Ray

[sonnyboyx2]

.juggy says..........."SRR has never fought ANYONE of Pacman or floyds caliber


this is about as ignorant as it gets! Sugar Ray the undisputed welter king would destroy Pacman and lil' Floyd. Neither of them come close to his skill level then add in Sugars power and its over. As to Sugars opposition...... Sammy Angott 2
Max Shiparo
Marty Servo 2
Fritz Zivic 2
Max Burger
Jake LaMotta 5
Jackie Wilson 2
Ralph Zanelli
Rocky Grazanio
Joey Maxum
Henry Armstrong
Jose Basora
Kid Gavilan
Charlie Fusani
Gene Buffalo
Bobo Olsen
Rocky Castilano
Bobby Dykes
Randy Turpin 2
Luc van Dam
Holly Mimms
Stan Harrington 2
Ralph Dupas
Carmen Basilio
.............................................many others.
These men could have been competitive in any era. Some would be champions
in any era also. The fact that you don't know them just emphasis the fact you don't know boxing history and other than height & weight you know NOTHING!

Ray

Ray, nice post. When debating with Jugger, you have to accept that you are debating with a 17-21yrs old. His knowledge of boxing history is virtually zero.

[juggernaut666]

.juggy says..........."SRR has never fought ANYONE of Pacman or floyds caliber


this is about as ignorant as it gets! Sugar Ray the undisputed welter king would destroy Pacman and lil' Floyd. Neither of them come close to his skill level then add in Sugars power and its over. As to Sugars opposition...... Sammy Angott 2
Max Shiparo
Marty Servo 2
Fritz Zivic 2
Max Burger
Jake LaMotta 5
Jackie Wilson 2
Ralph Zanelli
Rocky Grazanio
Joey Maxum
Henry Armstrong
Jose Basora
Kid Gavilan
Charlie Fusani
Gene Buffalo
Bobo Olsen
Rocky Castilano
Bobby Dykes
Randy Turpin 2
Luc van Dam
Holly Mimms
Stan Harrington 2
Ralph Dupas
Carmen Basilio
.............................................many others.
These men could have been competitive in any era. Some would be champions
in any era also. The fact that you don't know them just emphasis the fact you don't know boxing history and other than height & weight you know NOTHING!

Ray

just read the actual thread and links ...all those guys would look amateurish in the skills next to Floyd and Pacman...the fact you think fighting a unskilled brawler type Lamotta 5 times proves anything.



SRR was much better technically then them for HIS era,which is why he the top guy THEN. Basilio would maybe the only guy I actually see comparable to modern era and he has a win on SRR...so we'll leave it at that!

[sonnyboyx2]

'Lewis boasted, "One brother for breakfast, the other brother for Tea".. Yet Lewis was very fortunate, to come away with a victory over the limited Vitali Klitschko. Lewis then quickly ran off into retirement, with his trousers full of brown. At the thought of facing Wladimir. In my opinion, Wladimir would destroy Lewis in a couple of rounds. Similar to McCall & Rahman."

Again you have facts mixed up, Vitali was better at the time Lewis fought him...sstylistically vs Wlad it could go either way,however to say Lewis was a weak champ discredits anything you say....the whole Carnera is better than Lewis comment ends it right there. Lewis fought better fighters to give up the belts,,as stated had Lewis fought Byrd you would then accuse him of ducking Vitali. There was nothing debatable about the Lewsi win over Holyfield unless you WISH to believe it.




The other stuff? Only if you twist it in your favor.


in reality this is really the only fact you posted...

'Lewis boasted, "One brother for breakfast, the other brother for Tea"



"Carnera is better than Lewis "

Again, almost everything you claim is incorrect. Vitali has/was never considered better than Wladimir. Wladimir was the reigning Olympic Super-Heavyweight Gold Medalist. The former World Amateur Champion etc etc. Vitali was never in the same league as Wladimir. Vitali was nothing but an "injury prone, convicted PED abuser" - Wladimir is a totally different fighter compared to Lewis and Vitali.

For you to hold Lewis in the same regard as Wladimir Klitschko is laughable. Lennox does not come close. Skills, longevity, achievements, quality, athleticism, everything say's Wladimir is by far the superior fighter...

It was Legendary Trainer Lou Duva (Lennox former trainer & promoter) who claimed Lennox is another Carnera... However in my opinion Carnera was better than Lennox, skillwise and agility wise.

Your claim, "Lewis fought better fighters to give up the belts" is laughable. Lewis gave up the WBA belt to avoid John Ruiz and fought Michael Grant & Frans Botha ~ Are you claiming Grant & Botha to be "Better Fighters" than John Ruiz?

John Ruiz ~ 2 time WBA World Heavyweight Champion, who fought in 10 World Heavyweight Title fights. Ruiz beat and floored Evander Holyfield, something Lewis never came near doing in 24rds. Ruiz "Robbed" against Toney, Chagaev & Valuev. otherwise should be 3 time champion.

Michael Grant ~ exposed very limited, hand-picked for harmlessness
Frans Botha ~ Steroid abuser, drug addict. hand-picked for harmlessness.

Chris Byrd ~ No1 contender, who defeated David Tua & Holyfield far easier than Lewis. Who defeated Vitali Klitschko. A victory which put him No1 contender (IBF)

Lewis vs Holyfield ~ Lewis unfortunate to not get decision (1) Holyfield robbed in rematch. I have watched both fights several times, Holyfield was the clear victor in (2) i suggest you watch fight with sound turned off.

Jugger, i am baffled to how you hold Lewis in such high regard??? it cannot be his achievements, it cannot be his skills or fighting ability, it cannot be the quality of his opponents????.. Lewis was no better than Frank Bruno. Lewis actually beat Bruno when on the verge of being KOd.. landing a last gasp wild-swinging left-hook, which caught Bruno on the chin. Lewis was looking at the floor as he threw that punch. He had never threw that punch before in his whole career, or threw it again in his career (Lucky Punch) Hasim Rahman called it, as did Frank Bruno... Bruno although at the tail-end of his career, actually defeated Oliver McCall the guy who KOd Lewis.

[juggernaut666]

Again, almost everything you claim is incorrect. Vitali has/was never considered better than Wladimir. Wladimir was the reigning Olympic Super-Heavyweight Gold Medalist. The former World Amateur Champion etc etc. Vitali was never in the same league as Wladimir. Vitali was nothing but an "injury prone, convicted PED abuser" - Wladimir is a totally different fighter compared to Lewis and Vitali.

For you to hold Lewis in the same regard as Wladimir Klitschko is laughable. Lennox does not come close. Skills, longevity, achievements, quality, athleticism, everything say's Wladimir is by far the superior fighter...

It was Legendary Trainer Lou Duva (Lennox former trainer & promoter) who claimed Lennox is another Carnera... However in my opinion Carnera was better than Lennox, skillwise and agility wise.

Your claim, "Lewis fought better fighters to give up the belts" is laughable. Lewis gave up the WBA belt to avoid John Ruiz and fought Michael Grant & Frans Botha ~ Are you claiming Grant & Botha to be "Better Fighters" than John Ruiz?

John Ruiz ~ 2 time WBA World Heavyweight Champion, who fought in 10 World Heavyweight Title fights. Ruiz beat and floored Evander Holyfield, something Lewis never came near doing in 24rds. Ruiz "Robbed" against Toney, Chagaev & Valuev. otherwise should be 3 time champion.

Michael Grant ~ exposed very limited, hand-picked for harmlessness
Frans Botha ~ Steroid abuser, drug addict. hand-picked for harmlessness.

Chris Byrd ~ No1 contender, who defeated David Tua & Holyfield far easier than Lewis. Who defeated Vitali Klitschko. A victory which put him No1 contender (IBF)

Lewis vs Holyfield ~ Lewis unfortunate to not get decision (1) Holyfield robbed in rematch. I have watched both fights several times, Holyfield was the clear victor in (2) i suggest you watch fight with sound turned off.

Jugger, i am baffled to how you hold Lewis in such high regard??? it cannot be his achievements, it cannot be his skills or fighting ability, it cannot be the quality of his opponents????.. Lewis was no better than Frank Bruno. Lewis actually beat Bruno when on the verge of being KOd.. landing a last gasp wild-swinging left-hook, which caught Bruno on the chin. Lewis was looking at the floor as he threw that punch. He had never threw that punch before in his whole career, or threw it again in his career (Lucky Punch) Hasim Rahman called it, as did Frank Bruno... Bruno although at the tail-end of his career, actually defeated Oliver McCall the guy who KOd Lewis.

'Vitali has/was never considered better than Wladimir. " that statement shatters your entire view...the majority of the boxing world considered him to be better than Wlad then...even Wlad himself.



On lewis....he has the same abiliites as either Klitchko to be a force to reckon with its on video...its not that hard to see that....maybe for Corso but that's another entity all together....a better question is how you think Ray knows what hes talking about when he calls Wlad a C level fighter...lewis avoided Byrd to persue Vitali and yes grant was better than Ruiz as most everyone was except for old Holyfield. You are also wrong lewis had a good left hook ,the only thing lewis didn't plan on was Bruno stuffing his right hand...5 out of 5 Lewis would k.o bruno



Your Lewis point of view is equally as insane as rays Wlad one!

[sonnyboyx2]

'Vitali has/was never considered better than Wladimir. " that statement shatters your entire view...the majority of the boxing world considered him to be better than Wlad then...even Wlad himself.



On lewis....he has the same abiliites as either Klitchko to be a force to reckon with its on video...its not that hard to see that....maybe for Corso but that's another entity all together....a better question is how you think Ray knows what hes talking about when he calls Wlad a C level fighter...lewis avoided Byrd to persue Vitali and yes grant was better than Ruiz as most everyone was except for old Holyfield. You are also wrong lewis had a good left hook ,the only thing lewis didn't plan on was Bruno stuffing his right hand...5 out of 5 Lewis would k.o bruno



Your Lewis point of view is equally as insane as rays Wlad one!

Jugger... your very easily "worked out" mate. What you are doing here, is trying to place Lennox Lewis (a mediocre fighter) on the same level as Wladimir Klitschko.... give over, it's like claiming

Kell Brook to be the equal of Sugar Ray Leonard

[juggernaut666]

Jugger... your very easily "worked out" mate. What you are doing here, is trying to place Lennox Lewis (a mediocre fighter) on the same level as Wladimir Klitschko.... give over, it's like claiming

Kell Brook to be the equal of Sugar Ray Leonard

I don't have to try anything ,anyone who actually studies and follows real life boxing knows they are on similar level....and actually Lewis for the most part always gets the nod to win here. If you are claiming Lennox mediocre than Wlad follows suit.....M..Steward couldn't even really pick a winner here at times he gave edges to Lewis ,others Wlad...sorry but they are close...you will simply have to change your Lewis outlook if you want to stay in reality here.


Where Lewis is out done on sheer skill here...he makes up with ring adaptability.Who wins?It doesn't matter same levels of fighter.To call lewis average isn't smart boxing thinking nonetheless....that's up CERTAIN ppls alley way!

[Ray Corso]

...all those guys would look amateurish in the skills next to Floyd and Pacman...the fact you think fighting a unskilled brawler type Lamotta 5"

your a jerk plain and simple. The fact that you don't understand the skill set of a LaMotta who knows distance and was known for his defense and two handed attack proves once again your a jackazz!

Kid Gavilan is condsidered the greatest Cuban pro boxer and gave Robinson some of his best bouts!
Basilio is an ATG you don't know it but everyone who knows boxing does!
From Zivic to Holly Mimms your clueless, time to go back to ignoring you and elroy. I thought you both have started a different out look and possibly learned something but your both just kids and fools.

good luck kids your going to need it in life! Try to add reality to your exsistance.

Ray