Who in there right minds have Crawford over Manny p4p currently?

[kidbazooka]

Obviously we all agree Manny ****ts on Crawford on an all time p4p level and Canelo and Loma are the two top boxers today.

My issue is with those idiots that have bum beater Crawford over Manny.

All you gotta look at is there most recent fights it Mannys win over Thurman alone is a better win than anything Crawford has done to date.

This should be no argument.

[kidbazooka]

lol

None of these clowns can explain they’re reasoning for having bum killler Crawford ahead of Manny on the current p4p list?

[aboutfkntime]

Obviously we all agree Manny ****ts on Crawford on an all time p4p level and Canelo and Loma are the two top boxers today.

My issue is with those idiots that have bum beater Crawford over Manny.

All you gotta look at is there most recent fights it Mannys win over Thurman alone is a better win than anything Crawford has done to date.

This should be no argument.

this is simple, and has already been addressed many times

FACT: P4P has nothing to do with resume... it just doesn't

ATG = resume

P4P = style/skills/form

nobody in their right mind would rate Pac over Crawford at welter

I am sure Crawford would be a significant favorite if that fight got made

if P4P = resume... then Pac would be #1... but, he is not...
if P4P = resume... Golovkin would not be ranked P4P

those two examples prove that resume is not the main criteria in P4P

resume is given a small consideration for P4P, but nothing more

e.g.

people rank Canelo #1, simply because of his resume

I disagree

I think if Canelo, Lomachenko, and Crawford, were all NATURALLY the same size... so, nobody moving up/down, no catchweights etc... I have no idea who would win, but would probably favor both Loma and Crawford over Canelo... simply because of style

before Canelo/Golovkin II, I did not have Canelo in the top 5... despite his outstanding resume

[LoadedWraps]

Obviously we all agree Manny ****ts on Crawford on an all time p4p level and Canelo and Loma are the two top boxers today.

My issue is with those idiots that have bum beater Crawford over Manny.

All you gotta look at is there most recent fights it Mannys win over Thurman alone is a better win than anything Crawford has done to date.

This should be no argument.

Hmmm... nope.

Crawford embarrasses and might retire Manny.

Fury is #1.
Lomachenko is #2.

Canelo is not better p4p than fighters like Rigondeaux, Usyk, Crawford, Spence Jr, and Pacquiao. All of them are more complete fighters and more dangerous, which is what p4p is about. What....he gets a few gift decisions, including against the true MW king, and he is some monster now?

[kushking]

this is simple, and has already been addressed many times

FACT: P4P has nothing to do with resume... it just doesn't

ATG = resume

P4P = style/skills/form

nobody in their right mind would rate Pac over Crawford at welter

I am sure Crawford would be a significant favorite if that fight got made

if P4P = resume... then Pac would be #1... but, he is not...
if P4P = resume... Golovkin would not be ranked P4P

those two examples prove that resume is not the main criteria in P4P

resume is given a small consideration for P4P, but nothing more

e.g.

people rank Canelo #1, simply because of his resume

I disagree

I think if Canelo, Lomachenko, and Crawford, were all NATURALLY the same size... so, nobody moving up/down, no catchweights etc... I have no idea who would win, but would probably favor both Loma and Crawford over Canelo... simply because of style

before Canelo/Golovkin II, I did not have Canelo in the top 5... despite his outstanding resume

Thats the thing,theres no logic to wondering whod win if all equal size imo because thats always going to favor the smaller fighter,like imagine if Crawford was smaller & fighting Inoue,its meaningless because it has no relation to real life & is just a hypothetical & loses its status as an accomplishment being considered the best in the world is considered.

I think P4p is BOTH resume & then eye test,style etc. I think who you beat & how many quality fighters you beat should be far more important than anything else,& Crawford would not obliterate Pac imo even at this stage I see a possible split decision based on Crawford not looking nearly as good since moving up.

[kushking]

Hmmm... nope.

Crawford embarrasses and might retire Manny.

Fury is #1.
Lomachenko is #2.

Canelo is not better p4p than fighters like Rigondeaux, Usyk, Crawford, Spence Jr, and Pacquiao. All of them are more complete fighters and more dangerous, which is what p4p is about. What....he gets a few gift decisions, including against the true MW king, and he is some monster now?

This makes literally no sense,Canelo is known worldwide as the fighter since way before his prime whos faced killers on a regular basis & is barely going into his boxing peak,so to pretend like he hasn't proven to be among the most well rounded complete fighters at any weightclass is disingenuous

[kidbazooka]

this is simple, and has already been addressed many times

FACT: P4P has nothing to do with resume... it just doesn't

ATG = resume

P4P = style/skills/form

nobody in their right mind would rate Pac over Crawford at welter

I am sure Crawford would be a significant favorite if that fight got made

if P4P = resume... then Pac would be #1... but, he is not...
if P4P = resume... Golovkin would not be ranked P4P

those two examples prove that resume is not the main criteria in P4P

resume is given a small consideration for P4P, but nothing more

e.g.

people rank Canelo #1, simply because of his resume

I disagree

I think if Canelo, Lomachenko, and Crawford, were all NATURALLY the same size... so, nobody moving up/down, no catchweights etc... I have no idea who would win, but would probably favor both Loma and Crawford over Canelo... simply because of style

before Canelo/Golovkin II, I did not have Canelo in the top 5... despite his outstanding resume

Hahahah nice try but who told you resume doesn’t matter? Lol

you give me a fighter who beats 25 bums and rarely gets hit(Crawford does get hit a lot too) and another fighter who beats the best consistently(currently not just past)then he’s bound to take some shots but it matters BIG TIME who you beat.

Crawford hasn’t beaten anyone of note the guy is 33 going on 34 it’s embarrassing.

And about your skills point Crawford gets wobbled in almost every fight against waaaay lessser compe yet a 40 yr old manny schools a prime Thurman.

Now I ask you who has Crawford beaten tha comes close to Mannys win over Thurman and don’t say “ it doesn’t matter who you beat” because it will only make you sound silly.

It’s not hard to see Manny even today is and should still be ranked p4p ahead of Crawford.

[hugh grant]

Pac s greater and has better resume but he's old now.
Young lions are the ones hyped up. Pac always had better resume than floyd so it isnt always resume. It's being american

[kidbazooka]

Hmmm... nope.

Crawford embarrasses and might retire Manny.

Fury is #1.
Lomachenko is #2.

Canelo is not better p4p than fighters like Rigondeaux, Usyk, Crawford, Spence Jr, and Pacquiao. All of them are more complete fighters and more dangerous, which is what p4p is about. What....he gets a few gift decisions, including against the true MW king, and he is some monster now?

Hahahahahaha

Thankfully you’re rating don’t matter cuz that’s comical.

Fury is a big goofy dork and Loma struggles against guys like Linares who get starched in 1 rd in there very next fight. Crawford like I said only beats bums.

Thankfully the real experts and pros have Canelo number one the way it should be.

[aboutfkntime]

Thats the thing,theres no logic to wondering whod win if all equal size imo because thats always going to favor the smaller fighter,like imagine if Crawford was smaller & fighting Inoue,its meaningless because it has no relation to real life & is just a hypothetical & loses its status as an accomplishment being considered the best in the world is considered.

I think P4p is BOTH resume & then eye test,style etc. I think who you beat & how many quality fighters you beat should be far more important than anything else,& Crawford would not obliterate Pac imo even at this stage I see a possible split decision based on Crawford not looking nearly as good since moving up.

nope

FACT: P4P fighters lose to non-P4P fighters all the time

that's just a fact

that is why matchmakers are so important... boxing is all about matchmaking, and matchmaking is all about styles

assuming that somebody cannot step up to a certain level, because they have not stepped up to that level to date... is flawed logic... boxing matchmakers rarely ever make that mistake

to me (and, The Ring etc)... it comes down to style/skills/form

resume adds that proven factor, which can be relevant for sure... but it can also be misleading... Leo>Tank resume, but he will not be the favorite in that fight

it takes knowledge/understanding to rank by style/skills... and there is a saying in boxing... 'you are only as good as your last fight'... which is why form is so relevant to P4P