even the soundtrack of rocky, its already a win
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Originally posted by jaded View PostRocky was was a very good B movie that was not very realistic at all.
I would also argue that 'Rocky' was indeed realistic. Though in story, not in action. Liston/Ali, Tyson/Douglas, Rahman/Lewis, Braddock/Baer - Colossal upsets happen in boxing (and sports in general) all the time.
Furthermore all of the storylines throughout the entire series' history is actually based on events and relationships that actually existed in boxing : 'Rocky' is based on Joe Frazier and 'Apollo Creed' is based on Muhammad Ali. Their fight in the first film is loosely based on the Ali/Wepner film. The realtionship between 'Rocky' and his trainer 'Mickey' is based on the relationship that Mike Tyson and Cus D'Amato had down to the point where many of 'Mickey's lines are word for word things that D'Amato said to Tyson. (This is most evident in 'Rocky 5')
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Originally posted by The_Bringer View Post'Raging Bull' is a cinematic masterpiece. A brutally visceral character study that is aided by stellar performances, beautiful cinematography, an introspective soundtrack, and precise yet abstruse editing.
On the other hand, 'Rocky' is no chump, either. It's a powerful and aesthetically significant work of fiction loosely based on real life underdogs aided by understate performances, simplistic techniques, and a stellar soundtrack.
I'd go with 'Raging Bull' because it appeals to me more on an artistic and technical level, but I think that too many film fans underestimate the cultural significance of 'Rocky', simply because in retrospect it's become something of a cliched story. It's still by far the quintessential underdog story, and Stallone's montages are still as powerful now as they ever were.
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Originally posted by The_Bringer View PostI wouldn't exactly call it a B movie - That's a term that immediately conjures up images of 'Dolemite', 'Blacula', or 'Plan 9 From Outer Space'.
I would also argue that 'Rocky' was indeed realistic. Though in story, not in action. Liston/Ali, Tyson/Douglas, Rahman/Lewis, Braddock/Baer - Colossal upsets happen in boxing (and sports in general) all the time.
Furthermore all of the storylines throughout the entire series' history is actually based on events and relationships that actually existed in boxing : 'Rocky' is based on Joe Frazier and 'Apollo Creed' is based on Muhammad Ali. Their fight in the first film is loosely based on the Ali/Wepner film. The realtionship between 'Rocky' and his trainer 'Mickey' is based on the relationship that Mike Tyson and Cus D'Amato had down to the point where many of 'Mickey's lines are word for word things that D'Amato said to Tyson. (This is most evident in 'Rocky 5')
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Raging Bull was a movie that would have be considered great even by someone who was not at all a boxing fan.
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I simply can not watch Raging Bull. I don't appreciate it but I also don't watch many films, and none from anything pre early 80's. I hear it is a masterpiece but no matter how hard I try, I can't leave it on. Rocky however, I loved. The story just satisfies my needs. I love it. Cheesy, yes, bit brilliant.
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Originally posted by Saracen View PostI simply can not watch Raging Bull. I don't appreciate it but I also don't watch many films, and none from anything pre early 80's. I hear it is a masterpiece but no matter how hard I try, I can't leave it on. Rocky however, I loved. The story just satisfies my needs. I love it. Cheesy, yes, bit brilliant.
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