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  • [HOLY S**T!] Religion may become extinct in nine nations

    22 March 2011 Last updated at 07:31 Share this
    Religion may become extinct in nine nations, study says

    By Jason Palmer
    Science and technology reporter, BBC News, Dallas

    In the UK, Wales has the highest proportion of religiously "non-affiliated"

    A study using census data from nine countries shows that religion there is set for extinction, say researchers.

    The study found a steady rise in those claiming no religious affiliation.

    The team's mathematical model attempts to account for the interplay between the number of religious respondents and the social motives behind being one.

    The result, reported at the American Physical Society meeting in Dallas, US, indicates that religion will all but die out altogether in those countries.

    The team took census data stretching back as far as a century from countries in which the census queried religious affiliation: Australia, Austria, Canada, the Czech Republic, Finland, Ireland, the Netherlands, New Zealand and Switzerland.

    Their means of analysing the data invokes what is known as nonlinear dynamics - a mathematical approach that has been used to explain a wide range of physical phenomena in which a number of factors play a part.

    One of the team, Daniel Abrams of Northwestern University, put forth a similar model in 2003 to put a numerical basis behind the decline of lesser-spoken world languages.

    At its heart is the competition between speakers of different languages, and the "utility" of speaking one instead of another.

    "The idea is pretty simple," said Richard Wiener of the Research Corporation for Science Advancement, and the University of Arizona.

    "It posits that social groups that have more members are going to be more attractive to join, and it posits that social groups have a social status or utility.

    "For example in languages, there can be greater utility or status in speaking Spanish instead of [the dying language] Quechuan in Peru, and similarly there's some kind of status or utility in being a member of a religion or not."


    Some of the census data the team used date from the 19th century
    Dr Wiener continued: "In a large number of modern secular democracies, there's been a trend that folk are identifying themselves as non-affiliated with religion; in the Netherlands the number was 40%, and the highest we saw was in the Czech Republic, where the number was 60%."

    The team then applied their nonlinear dynamics model, adjusting parameters for the relative social and utilitarian merits of membership of the "non-religious" category.

    They found, in a study published online, that those parameters were similar across all the countries studied, suggesting that similar behaviour drives the mathematics in all of them.

    And in all the countries, the indications were that religion was headed toward extinction.

    However, Dr Wiener told the conference that the team was working to update the model with a "network structure" more representative of the one at work in the world.

    "Obviously we don't really believe this is the network structure of a modern society, where each person is influenced equally by all the other people in society," he said.

    However, he told BBC News that he thought it was "a suggestive result".

    "It's interesting that a fairly simple model captures the data, and if those simple ideas are correct, it suggests where this might be going.

    "Obviously much more complicated things are going on with any one individual, but maybe a lot of that averages out."


    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-12811197

  • #2
    Religion will die out in every country at some point in the not too distant future.

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    • #3
      There is no god, I'am god, the law is god, when and if I take your life, its because I'AM UR GOD !!

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      • #4
        Also in Finland, after all the stuff The Church has said and done about female priests, gay marriages etc. human rights concerning things within last year, don't seem to fare very well.

        Even as an atheist I don't actually hate religions, but they should check their views about almost everything.

        When they gave their very negative statement about gay marriages, this happened (excommunicated):


        Quite a peak in the blue line.
        Last edited by khepesh; 03-23-2011, 05:34 PM.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by TheAuthority View Post
          Religion will die out in every country at some point in the not too distant future.
          You're nuts if you actually believe that. Unless if you consider not too distant future as hundreds of years down the road.

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          • #6
            Good riddence, you dont need religion to be spiritual or to be closer to whatever diety you worship. The concept of religion has done more harm to mankind than anything in history.

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            • #7
              Nothing of value will be lost.

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              • #8
                Minority ≠ Extinct

                The biggest religion in the world is still very prevelant in every nation, it's called statism, and it's killed more people than any other religion.

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                • #9
                  Good to hear

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Check View Post
                    You're nuts if you actually believe that. Unless if you consider not too distant future as hundreds of years down the road.
                    Im Muslim and even I can agree with his statement, one day religion will die out...

                    In the Quran a sign of judgement day is

                    "Islam will become worn out like clothes are, until no one will know what fasting, prayer, charity and rituals are"

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