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Old 11-18-2019, 11:37 PM #84
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Originally Posted by Boxing_1013 View Post
Dude Lemieux dropped Ndam 4 times lol...I mean idk if you watched that fight or not, or if you were just picking your side of this argument going in...but why would you mention the rd by rd scores of the judges and not the actual scores there...115-109 twice...and 114-110...most people give Ndam 3 of the last 4 rounds too...so the fight was way over by then anyway...that one wasn't close at all.

I would add that Martinez probably won every round vs Chavez before the 12th...I think he just decided to drop his gloves and put on a little show...and I'm not really hyping up the 11-1 score to big up Martinez...Chavez never lets his hands go so he always loses rounds anyway...he would always have lost 12-0 to Sergio, at whatever point in their careers it happened.

Maybe when Sergio was completely shot Chavez would have won a few rounds or something...but yeah I think Sergio was just trying to put on a little show...to be fair, I don't think Chavez would have been even able to do that/win 1 round vs Maravilla if Sergio was 100%...so I am not arguing that Sergio was 100% prime there...I think he broke his left hand early in that fight too.

Just saying that the version Murray fought was a decent version...and most who watched feel he should have won..especially not getting credited for the 2 KDs he should have had...yes Martinez was shot vs Cotto...and not 100% vs Murray...but notice the knee sleeves vs Cotto and them not being there vs Murray...I think he was pretty clearly way worse off when he faced Cotto...Martinez knew he was done and Cotto just paid him for the scalp...truth be told we've seen that before and will see that again.

I would say the Lemieux and Murray that GGG faced were like 7.5-8s out of 10...a faded Cotto at 155 was probably about a 7 imo...Martinez vs Murray was probably about a 7.5...Martinez over a year later vs Cotto...maybe a 6?...hard to say really....Mosley at that time of the Canelo fight was maybe a 7.

So yeah I don't think we are too far off...just depends on how you place those numbers exactly...I know for me I give more credit to any guy facing a prime, on a roll fighter at their natural weight than I do for a past prime guy fighting at not his best weight...I do that for anyone not just GGG.
Lemieux dropped N'Dam 4 times, yet three Canadian judges in Canada, could only find, 6, 6, and 7 rounds to give him. Let's be real here.

And yes, I did watch that fight, and had the fight been in even a 16' ring rather than the MAYBE 15' ring (when the fight was supposed to be in an 18'-20' ring), Lemieux would've gotten smoked again.

No one is saying that Martin Murray can't fight; at least that's not my intention. Still, Murray has shown himself to be a C/C+ fighter, and you're trying to sell him as being something he's not.

Gennady Golovkin has had a handful of actual fights during his pro career; Geale, Brook (legit fighter jumping two weight classes), Jacobs, Alvarez, Alvarez 2, and Derevyanchenko.

Beyond that, you basically have a handful of C level fighters (Murray, Lemieux, Monroe, Rosado coming up from 154, Proksa, Kassim Ouma coming up from 154 and being faded) and utter **** after that.

For Danny Garcia, in his real legit fights, you have Porter, Thurman, Peterson, Matthyssee, and Khan.

If you look at the C/C+ level guys on the ledger, you've got Theophane, Campbell, Holt, the first Morales fight, Guerrero, Malignaggi, Herrera, Granados, Judah, and Rios.

Let's be objective here
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