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Roy Jones vs this era's best Super Middleweights, how would he have performed?
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Originally posted by F l i c k e r View PostYeah but I think it will come down to the mental game.
Would Roy get frustrated by the way Dirrell won't stand in front of him and box him? Making Roy chase him around the ring.
While Ward. How would Roy react when he is being jab-clinched? Probably taking a headbutt or two in the process.
That's why I think they would beat him. He has the athleticism but the mental game. To accept not getting what you want, when you want it. I don't think Roy would be pleased with fighting them.
Roy Jones even in his last great effort and past prime against Tarver showed he had guts to dig deep when what he was trying wasnt working
He showed win in with a counterpuncher, he could take the lead and still land....against Tarver, Hopkins, Toney and Hill
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Originally posted by check hook View PostI seriously can't believe what i read on these forums at times.
This is Roy vs. Ward.
I keep reading about what Roy "hasn't seen". What about what Andre Ward hasn't seen?
He has not faced a boxer with the athleticism, handspeed and power that Roy Jones possesses. He hasn't seen a guy that will circle the ring, throw double and triple left hooks, constantly moving away from him. Andre Ward's resume consists of:
Edison Miranda
Mikell Kessler
Allan Green
Sakio Bika
Arthur Abraham
Carl Froch
All those fighters stand in front of him and allow him to beat them up on the inside, clinch and frustrate them. Why would Roy Jones even TRY to make this fight on the inside in the first place? Toney and Hopkins tried to do just that. Jones circled the ring, gave them constant head movement, kept the fight on the outside and doubled and tripled his jabs and hooks, countered beautifly and basically coasted through both fights.
You can't assume Ward can automatically adjust to Jones style, but not the other way around. Jones has seen more fighters in the Ward mold than the other way around.
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Originally posted by F l i c k e r View PostWard and Dirrell beat him.
Ward is smarter.
Dirrell doesn't fight directly, he sticks and moves. It would frustrate the hell out of Roy and he'd likely end up over reaching for shots, leaving himself vulnerable.
Originally posted by PBP View PostHow would Andre Ward vs RJJ be any different than the Hopkins and Toney fights?
Their ability to switch stances is another factor that'd make it interesting.
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I can't see any one of the Super 6 fighters, who were better than the Hopkins and Toney that Jones fought. Current Ward is not better than 1993 Bernard Hopkins.
Mike McCallum that Jones fought, would have come down in weight, and possibly been a semi-finalists in the Super 6.
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Originally posted by therealpugilist View PostOne thing Jones had on his side in his prime was a mental edge....you could see the confidence oozing out of him. Dude looked so relaxed in the ring....When fighters tried rough tactics and other things he'd do them back and resume popping them in the face
Roy Jones even in his last great effort and past prime against Tarver showed he had guts to dig deep when what he was trying wasnt working
He showed win in with a counterpuncher, he could take the lead and still land....against Tarver, Hopkins, Toney and Hill
That's the intangibles about Dirrell and Ward though. They make even the most composed of boxers, get frustrated.
Abraham isn't Roy but he is one of the most composed people in and out of the ring. Yet, Dirrell got to him to the point where he threw punches after he fell.
I see it like this. If Roy won, it'd have to be a ridiculous punch. Something that just makes people's jaws drop.
If Ward won, people would say he fought dirty and boring. While Dirrell, it would be him running away all fight.
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Originally posted by PBP View PostSeriously cuz. But this isn't Ward vs Toney.
This is Roy vs. Ward.
I keep reading about what Roy "hasn't seen". What about what Andre Ward hasn't seen?
He has not faced a boxer with the athleticism, handspeed and power that Roy Jones possesses. He hasn't seen a guy that will circle the ring, throw double and triple left hooks, constantly moving away from him. Andre Ward's resume consists of:
Edison Miranda
Mikell Kessler
Allan Green
Sakio Bika
Arthur Abraham
Carl Froch
All those fighters stand in front of him and allow him to beat them up on the inside, clinch and frustrate them. Why would Roy Jones even TRY to make this fight on the inside in the first place? Toney and Hopkins tried to do just that. Jones circled the ring, gave them constant head movement, kept the fight on the outside and doubled and tripled his jabs and hooks, countered beautifly and basically coasted through both fights.
You can't assume Ward can automatically adjust to Jones style, but not the other way around. Jones has seen more fighters in the Ward mold than the other way around.
I said I think Ward would be able to beat Toney at 168. I liked Toney the most at 160.
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There is no way in hell ANY of these guys from today's era, including Calslappy, Ward, Dirrel, etc would have a prayer against a prime RJJ. Ward would get outworked through superior timing, speed, counter punching and controlled aggression. It would frustrate Ward so much that his grabbing, head butting, inside garbage would be a non factor that I am sure we'd see a systematic beat down and perhaps late round stoppage. Direll's supposedly slick style (I'm not drinking the cool aid on this guy at all) would be a cakewalk for Jones, who feasted on boxer/counterpuncher types.
I know that once Jone's fell off early this decade, he fell off. But there is no disputing that in his prime, he was a bit of an untouchable. Truly a remarkable fighter. His performance against Montell Griffith in the rematch still gives me shivers and that Jones on that night, steam rolls any of these guys today.
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I will lay it out for everyone plain and simple, the current guys at 68 have no hope of beating RJJ at that weighclass. PLEASE STOP! You are all embarrassing yourselves. The same applies for James Toney.
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