Luis Ortiz vs Prime David Tua

[Earl-Hickey]

Luis Ortiz has one "good" win in his entire career

never achieved anything as an amateur

never achieved anything as a pro

Ortiz best win = life and death with journeyman jennings

Tua's best win KO1 X2 vs former world champions

[Cutthroat]

^^less than a year after the Ibeabuchi fight and elbow surgery. The Ibeabuchi fight that most thought he won.

If Tua can go the distance with Ibaebuchi and Lewis and KO Moorer, he can handle fat, out of shape Ortiz who has fought no one.

Luis Ortiz has one "good" win in his entire career

never achieved anything as an amateur

never achieved anything as a pro

Ortiz best win = life and death with journeyman jennings

Tua's best win KO1 X2 vs former world champions

Ibeabuchi's resume is even worse than Ortiz's, his amateur career consisted of fighting in one of the worst amateur programs in the world (Nigeria), and a golden gloves tournament win in Texas.

Prior to fighting Tua he fought fighters with records like:
17-9
9-20
20-14
2-3 (Ortiz would get roasted for that)

He was a pure brawler as evidenced by the Byrd & Tua fights whereas Ortiz is a technician.

Tua hit hard but he is as basic as they come, his reach is barely 70" and he had trouble closing the distance on taller guys.


Jeff Wooden arguably beat him, in fact Wooden also gave Rahman & Grant very tough bouts as well. Ortiz is just light years beyond a guy like Wooden and would've dominated in the 90s

[4truth]

Ibeabuchi's resume is even worse than Ortiz's, his amateur career consisted of fighting in one of the worst amateur programs in the world (Nigeria), and a golden gloves tournament win in Texas.

Prior to fighting Tua he fought fighters with records like:
17-9
9-20
20-14
2-3 (Ortiz would get roasted for that)

He was a pure brawler as evidenced by the Byrd & Tua fights whereas Ortiz is a technician.

Tua hit hard but he is as basic as they come, his reach is barely 70" and he had trouble closing the distance on taller guys.


Jeff Wooden arguably beat him, in fact Wooden also gave Rahman & Grant very tough bouts as well. Ortiz is just light years beyond a guy like Wooden and would've dominated in the 90s

Has nothing at all to do with Ike's record. The fact is that it was one of the most brutal fights ever and left both fighters in a depleted state. Ibeabuchi started hearing voices after the fight, Tua needed and had elbow surgery after the fight. 8 months after that fight Tua was hardly in top condition.

Ortiz is a good, not great fighter. He had 5 chances to defeat his Cuban stablemate Solis and never prevailed. Ortiz is not the slick southpaw you are pretending him to be.

[Cutthroat]

Has nothing at all to do with Ike's record. The fact is that it was one of the most brutal fights ever and left both fighters in a depleted state. Ibeabuchi started hearing voices after the fight, Tua needed and had elbow surgery after the fight. 8 months after that fight Tua was hardly in top condition.

Ortiz is a good, not great fighter. He had 5 chances to defeat his Cuban stablemate Solis and never prevailed. Ortiz is not the slick southpaw you are pretending him to be.

Like I said, Jeff Wooden, a pretty irrelevant southpaw from the 90's was capable of pushing champions like Tua, Rahman, Grant, etc. to their limits. It wasn't just Tua he arguably beat.

Ortiz is better than Wooden in every way imaginable.

Ibeabuchi was a pure brawler as evidenced by the Byrd-Tua fights whereas Ortiz is a skilled technician that'd pick Tua apart, far more skilled than Wooden.


Ortiz fought in one of the strongest amateur programs of all time and wasn't even in his prime against Solis, he was like 200lbs in the amateurs, prime Ortiz is 220+.

Ortiz did what Wlad couldn't do, completely dominate & stop Jennings.

[mlac]

Has nothing at all to do with Ike's record. The fact is that it was one of the most brutal fights ever and left both fighters in a depleted state. Ibeabuchi started hearing voices after the fight, Tua needed and had elbow surgery after the fight. 8 months after that fight Tua was hardly in top condition.

Ortiz is a good, not great fighter. He had 5 chances to defeat his Cuban stablemate Solis and never prevailed. Ortiz is not the slick southpaw you are pretending him to be.

Dont bother, cutthroat has to be one of the biggest spastics on the entire site...which considering the competition is a tremendous acheivement.

he straight up just makes stuff up to suit his pathetic agenda..one of my favourites is:

'usyk went life and death with huck' after winning every round and then stopping him

[Cutthroat]

Dont bother, cutthroat has to be one of the biggest spastics on the entire site...which considering the competition is a tremendous acheivement.

he straight up just makes stuff up to suit his pathetic agenda..one of my favourites is:

'usyk went life and death with huck' after winning every round and then stopping him

The official judges cards for Huck-Usyk were practically dead even lmao, it's you that's making **** up.

[GhostofDempsey]

Ibeabuchi's resume is even worse than Ortiz's, his amateur career consisted of fighting in one of the worst amateur programs in the world (Nigeria), and a golden gloves tournament win in Texas.

Prior to fighting Tua he fought fighters with records like:
17-9
9-20
20-14
2-3 (Ortiz would get roasted for that)

He was a pure brawler as evidenced by the Byrd & Tua fights whereas Ortiz is a technician.

Tua hit hard but he is as basic as they come, his reach is barely 70" and he had trouble closing the distance on taller guys.


Jeff Wooden arguably beat him, in fact Wooden also gave Rahman & Grant very tough bouts as well. Ortiz is just light years beyond a guy like Wooden and would've dominated in the 90s

Tell us all about Ortiz’ three best wins and who his opponents fight prior. This should be good.

[pillowfists98]

Tua would win, by KO. In his prime Tua only lost to Ibeabuchi who was a strong puncher with a great workrate, Byrd who in his heyday had great defense and could move exceptionally well and Lewis who is one of the greatest HW champs ever. Ortiz is not on the same level of those guys.

[Cutthroat]

Tell us all about Ortiz’ three best wins and who his opponents fight prior. This should be good.

Jennings who took Wlad to 116-111 on 2 judges cards out performing Povetkin, Pulev, Haye, etc. Even Ray Mercer got completely dominated by a pre-prime Wlad as did Byrd both standout 90s fighters.


Scott who was out boxing Dereck Chisora prior to a premature 6th round stoppage.

Outperformed Pulev against Thompson, dominated Kauffman, stopped Cojanu when Parker couldn't. etc.


Ortiz rarely loses a round. If a blown up, sothpaw light heavy like Moorer could have the success he did in the 90s and a journeyman like Wooden, you better believe Ortiz could as well.

[Offic.Scorecard]

Luis Ortiz' footwork was decent but he was never a stick n move fighter. I think Tua would knock him out in the middle rounds.