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Originally posted by Freedom. View PostI've been enjoying the heavyweight division.
People shouldn't be narrow-minded bigots and believe that all the best fighters need to come from their home country.
There are good HWs from many countries now:
USA: Jennings, Wilder
UA: the Klitschkos, Glazkov
UK: Fury, Price, Haye
Romania: Dinu
Russia: Povetkin, Abdusalamov
Bulgaria: Pulev
Finland: Helenius
Cuba: Ortiz, Perez
Poland: Adamek, Szpilka
The heavyweight division is more interesting now than it ever was because of the diversity.
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Originally posted by Freedom. View PostI've been enjoying the heavyweight division.
People shouldn't be narrow-minded bigots and believe that all the best fighters need to come from their home country.
There are good HWs from many countries now:
USA: Jennings, Wilder
UA: the Klitschkos, Glazkov
UK: Fury, Price, Haye
Romania: Dinu
Russia: Povetkin, Abdusalamov
Bulgaria: Pulev
Finland: Helenius
Cuba: Ortiz, Perez
Poland: Adamek, Szpilka
The heavyweight division is more interesting now than it ever was because of the diversity.
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Originally posted by Big Dunn View PostNo, Americans know when the division is good and when its crap. Much of the same things said now about this era were the same things said post ali/frazier/foreman. Its just that some non american posters can't refute fair criticisms and have to make it about racism or jingoism
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Originally posted by Big Dunn View Postwouldn't quality be a better determination of how good a division is rather than diversity?
I wish you could rise above that and be fair and objective, but I know you never will.
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Originally posted by WladimirK View Post'Good' and 'crap' is subjective, if Americans say today's HW division is crap, it doesn't necessarily mean it's a fact.
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Originally posted by Freedom. View PostLet's be honest here: if the Klitschkos and the others in the top ten were of the same nationality and race as you are, you'd say the heavyweight division is good.
I wish you could rise above that and be fair and objective, but I know you never will.
thats just your defense mechanism becuase as long as you can make it about sociological factors, you don't have to discuss boxing because as soon you do the debate is over because In your heart, you know that niether Klit has beaten a heavyweight that even registers on the greatness scale.
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Originally posted by Big Dunn View Postagreed. the point is americns said the same thing about the division when Larry Holmes was champ. SO to make it unique to just the Klits is IMO a defense mechanism because its easier to blame it on other factors rather than have to dissect their resumes, which, noi matter how much you love the Klits, is not very great.
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Originally posted by WladimirK View PostSame old discussion about 'resumes' .. The Klitschko's dominate and often destroy who's put in front of them, and has been doing it consistently with great longevity (especially Wlad). That's what put them up there, plus they are always dedicated, in shape, and they are great fighters who imo would give any ATG a run for their money in ANY era.
The fact that WLad has fought several men twice is indicative of the fact that there is little quality in the division. as long as we have a boxing discussion thats cool. Just don't be like tunney and just say if the were black and americans they'd be considered great.
Larry Holmes was both and he got the same criticisms the klits do because he beat everyone in front of him (without the KO losses wlad had nor the putrid resume of vitali).
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Originally posted by Big Dunn View PostThe fact that WLad has fought several men twice is indicative of the fact that there is little quality in the division.
Thompson was the ONLY fighter Wlad fought twice between 2006 and 2013.
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